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How would I go about finding a competent 200 series excavator mechanic?

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I'd like to dig another pond, would be using my 225LC. I dug a couple ponds with it ~10 years ago, machine worked, performed various repairs on it myself. One thing I could not figure out was the slow boom lift when machine got hot (yes floor pedal speed valve was depressed). Bob Ont tried to help me via email, he seemed to think it was valve shimming. He sent over some documentation on how to evaluate the hydraulics, but there was too much specialized diagnostic equipment required for me to take care of it myself. He said if I had contacted him just a year sooner he may have come down form Canada to help me out with it, but when I posted my issues with it here, his health was already failing.

I'm wondering, do people even service these units anymore? Meaning, finding someone who has the equipment, and more importantly the knowledge to troubleshoot and at least give me a reason for the snail paced boom lift? I don't have a local CAT dealer anymore, they moved far enough away that dragging the machine there makes no fiscal sense, plus I don't think they'd even have anyone to work on it.

This thread denotes the last time I worked on the machine: https://www.acmoc.org/bb/discussion-d72/17527-cat-225-with-replaced-3208-has-modifications?start=0

I think instead of tearing into the machine myself to troubleshoot this issue, It would be great to find someone to contract out for an evaluation before I spend money on this machine to get it ready for a pond dig.
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Tue, Mar 30, 2021 10:30 PM
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Where are you located? Might help to know where to find mechanic.
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Thu, Apr 1, 2021 4:34 AM
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Where are you located? Might help to know where to find mechanic.
You're in Newfane right? What did Milton say about whether they had the knowhow to work on it? I would think they would still have access to the documentation, and that you could pay for a 1hr consultation where they come over and measure all the pressures and compare to specs. From that, they could at least provide some idea of what items need to be further investigated. That way, you could at least get an idea of what problems you have for a set amount of $, and then could decide how to proceed based on that.
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Thu, Apr 1, 2021 5:43 AM
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Where are you located? Might help to know where to find mechanic.
[quote="kracked1" post=227139"]Where are you located? Might help to know where to find mechanic.
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Western New York, about 20 miles east of Niagara Falls. Real close to Canadian Border.

Yeah, Milton CAT is who I used to deal with, they moved from Niagara Falls to Batavia NY.
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Thu, Apr 1, 2021 8:05 AM
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[quote="kracked1" post=227139"]Where are you located? Might help to know where to find mechanic.
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Western New York, about 20 miles east of Niagara Falls. Real close to Canadian Border.

Yeah, Milton CAT is who I used to deal with, they moved from Niagara Falls to Batavia NY.
Yeah, they used to be in Rochester too but we have a dropbox now at Utica Peterbilt so I don't have to go far to pick up parts (although they charge 20 clams per delivery....). We also have a CaseIH dealership but the Rochester one only does excavators and the Canandaigua one only does ag tractors and they don't talk to each other : )
I'd still call them and ask them if they have the expertise specifically on the 225, or if they have access to the documentation to test the various pressures. You could pay for a set time, e.g. 1hr and at least get all the information you'd need to decide what to do next. I'd guess their labor rate is 100-120? That seems to be the most obvious way forward, unless someone magically finds a 225 retired expert looking for something to do. You'll know up front what it will cost.
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Thu, Apr 1, 2021 7:47 PM
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Yeah, they used to be in Rochester too but we have a dropbox now at Utica Peterbilt so I don't have to go far to pick up parts (although they charge 20 clams per delivery....). We also have a CaseIH dealership but the Rochester one only does excavators and the Canandaigua one only does ag tractors and they don't talk to each other : )
I'd still call them and ask them if they have the expertise specifically on the 225, or if they have access to the documentation to test the various pressures. You could pay for a set time, e.g. 1hr and at least get all the information you'd need to decide what to do next. I'd guess their labor rate is 100-120? That seems to be the most obvious way forward, unless someone magically finds a 225 retired expert looking for something to do. You'll know up front what it will cost.

That's the unicorn I'd be looking for!
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Thu, Apr 1, 2021 8:27 PM
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That's the unicorn I'd be looking for!
I found some information online about troubleshooting the HYD system.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LTBMEcCc5DA36ZtrzfUM2DwXWy0Lz7XE/view?usp=sharing

In the documents there are tools & kits like 5S5123, 9S2000 etc. Can't seem to find info on those tools to even get a look at them.

I put an email in with Milton CAT Service, but not confident anything they can do would be financially viable on a hobby machine like mine.
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Tue, Apr 6, 2021 9:38 PM
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I found some information online about troubleshooting the HYD system.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LTBMEcCc5DA36ZtrzfUM2DwXWy0Lz7XE/view?usp=sharing

In the documents there are tools & kits like 5S5123, 9S2000 etc. Can't seem to find info on those tools to even get a look at them.

I put an email in with Milton CAT Service, but not confident anything they can do would be financially viable on a hobby machine like mine.
Hi Team,
I have tested and adjusted these a long time ago when working for the Dealer.
I guess to be realistic these tests are somewhat complex and can be dangerous as we are dealing with high pressure and flow capability hydraulic oil in the system and you must have your wits about you.

The link below shows the 9S2000 Hyd. Load test meter that from memory only would likely be part of the 5S5123 Hydraulic Test Kit--from memory with this particular meter you need to be ultra careful as I think it was possible to completely block the pump being tested hydraulic oil output flow.

https://barringtondieselclub.co.za/caterpillar/920-930/reg00501-12/tee-test-tools-introduction1.pdf

https://ch-part.com/i.caterpillar/senr77350002/

There could be other data out there by Googling as I did to find these links--maybe you have already found them too.

I know I have not answered your query but from here is about all I can help with for now.

Regards,
Eddie B.
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Wed, Apr 7, 2021 12:25 PM
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Hi Team,
I have tested and adjusted these a long time ago when working for the Dealer.
I guess to be realistic these tests are somewhat complex and can be dangerous as we are dealing with high pressure and flow capability hydraulic oil in the system and you must have your wits about you.

The link below shows the 9S2000 Hyd. Load test meter that from memory only would likely be part of the 5S5123 Hydraulic Test Kit--from memory with this particular meter you need to be ultra careful as I think it was possible to completely block the pump being tested hydraulic oil output flow.

https://barringtondieselclub.co.za/caterpillar/920-930/reg00501-12/tee-test-tools-introduction1.pdf

https://ch-part.com/i.caterpillar/senr77350002/

There could be other data out there by Googling as I did to find these links--maybe you have already found them too.

I know I have not answered your query but from here is about all I can help with for now.

Regards,
Eddie B.
Do you have a local hydraulics service center? They should be able to fault find from the document you linked to. A circuit drawing would also help. They should also have all the diagnostic equipment needed to test the flow rates etc.
If your lucky it may be something simple like the piston seals on the boom lift are bypassing. Does the boom go down on its own?

Regards

Phil
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Wed, Apr 7, 2021 2:57 PM
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Do you have a local hydraulics service center? They should be able to fault find from the document you linked to. A circuit drawing would also help. They should also have all the diagnostic equipment needed to test the flow rates etc.
If your lucky it may be something simple like the piston seals on the boom lift are bypassing. Does the boom go down on its own?

Regards

Phil
Yes, the boom definitaly falls on its own. I once used the machine to put a dump body on my tandem dump truck and the boom with that crane load fell something like one inch every ~3 seconds or so.

In talking to Bob Ont years ago about the issue via email, he seemed to think there was more going on with the very slow boom lift than just a leaking piston seals, he tried to help me but I just did not have the required testing equipment. I'm good mechanically, but not so great hydraulically in terms of knowledge, and as edb states, this testing is not only complex but can be very dangerous. Now granted, both boom cylinders do need to be re-sealed, one of them is leaking quite badly at the rod seal (which likely means the piston seal leaks too). That rod seal has been leaking since I bought the machine in 2009, but only after the last pond (2012 I think) did it start to leak as bad as it does now. The machine has seen very little use since ~2013.

I know both boom cylinders along with the bucket cylinder need to be resealed, along with both track brakes, various hoses including the pump return to tank giant hoses, on and on etc.

Before I use both my 225 & D6C to dig another pond, they both will need $1,000's to get them in good enough shape to where I feel I can trust them. D6C has a leaking dead axle taper, leaking exhaust manifold, leaking rear main into the trans case, engine oil leak, some UC components are 130%+ worn. 

Before I spend any money on either machine, I'd really like to know if the 225 has a serious issue or not. If I can't reseal the boom cylinders myself, that right there is ~$2000 to have done somewhere. Doesn't make sense to do that if there are worn spool bores on control valves etc.  Machine reads ~6500 hrs, bought it with like ~5800 hrs, but the hour meter is not the original, so no idea how many actual hours are on the valves.

As far as local HYD service centers, I know there are a lot of smaller shops around, none of them that would probably want to touch this 225 however, but I'd have to ask around. I can't even find a place to turn pins & bushings, seems no one does that anymore.
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Wed, Apr 7, 2021 4:51 PM
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There is a simple test you can do with an inline flow meter. Any hydraulic shop should have one. Put the flow meter in a line to the lift cylinders and run the machine. Observe the flow rate when cold and do the same once the machine is at operating temperature.If the flow rate is almost the same then the seals are your problem. Even small hydraulic shops should have some form of flow meters. (I have done it before with drums but you need to be very careful once the oil is hot and under pressure)
If it is dropping at a rate of 1" every three seconds then it is a considerable leak and will be much worse once the oil is hot. On the subject of oil, does it have the correct grade of oil in it? One thing tells me it could be the seals. I have an old Hymac excavator with leaking lift cylinder piston seals. It goes down about an inch every second or two. I have had to adjust the control valve from its factory settings to get a reasonable speed in the lift but still nowhere near as fast as it should be.

To someone with out any hydraulic knowledge the system appears to be very complex but in actuality it is a fairly standard pilot operated load sensing system. With the information in that document a hydraulic shop should be able to at least identify where the problem is but as you said it will take money even to fault find let alone fixing the problem.

Shame we are on differrent continents as I would have liked the opportunity to help out in person with the issue.
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