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Bo from La
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Hello everyone.
I have an early 1900's Caterpillar horse drawn road grader that I'm thinking of restoring.
I need to find out what the original color was.
Can anyone tell me, or suggest where to look?
Thanks, Bo
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Tue, Nov 10, 2009 10:30 PM
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I have no idea what the color would be but could be gray like the old tractors were back then.I can,t remember seeing a Cat grader that old but seen lots of other brands but most were just rusty looking due to age as our Twp. had an old one but no paint left on it an can,t remember what make it was.
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Tue, Nov 10, 2009 10:56 PM
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I have no idea what the color would be but could be gray like the old tractors were back then.I can,t remember seeing a Cat grader that old but seen lots of other brands but most were just rusty looking due to age as our Twp. had an old one but no paint left on it an can,t remember what make it was.
Here is a picture of it now.

http://s717.photobucket.com/albums/ww176/BofromLa/?action=view¤t=Grader-3.jpg

I did find a small amount of dark green paint on the serial number tag, but that was probably from a repaint.
There appears to be a VERY slight area of light yellow on a frame rail.
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Tue, Nov 10, 2009 11:08 PM
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Here is a picture of it now.

http://s717.photobucket.com/albums/ww176/BofromLa/?action=view¤t=Grader-3.jpg

I did find a small amount of dark green paint on the serial number tag, but that was probably from a repaint.
There appears to be a VERY slight area of light yellow on a frame rail.
hello Bo from La ,the grader looks like a hi-way patrol No 4 and it would be painted caterpillar highway yellow ,bruce oz
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Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:26 AM
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hello Bo from La ,the grader looks like a hi-way patrol No 4 and it would be painted caterpillar highway yellow ,bruce oz
What the ser. no. Looks like a No.1 or No.2 to me. Are you sure its Caterpillar because they were made by other companies also un lisc from Cat
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Wed, Nov 11, 2009 5:11 AM
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What the ser. no. Looks like a No.1 or No.2 to me. Are you sure its Caterpillar because they were made by other companies also un lisc from Cat
Bo - What is your definition of "early 1900's"? Most people refer to the era prior to around 1920 as the "early 1900's".
Caterpillar Tractor Co didn't come into existence until 1925, so they are not normally described as an "early 1900's" company.

The grader appears to be a Caterpillar #1. It was available as a Terracer (no front wheels - the front of the frame coupled directly to a tractor), or a 4 wheel Grader.
This is the smallest grader produced by Cat .. it has an 8' moldboard and weighs a mere 1400 lbs in Terracer form, and 1600 lbs in grader form.
The S/No for the#1 commenced at P-101. This grader did not appear until 1931.

It can't be a #2 .. the #2 is 3 times the size, it weighs nearly 5000 lbs, and the gearboxes on the #2 have the worm and driveshaft from the blade lift wheels, on the bottom of the bullgear .. whereas the #1 has the worm and driveshaft on top of the bullgear.

If it was produced after Dec 7, 1931, it would have originally been yellow. The small Terracers and Graders were one of the items that Caterpillar produced in reasonable numbers during the Great Depression .. as they were cheap and affordable .. and when the Federal Govt introduced soil conservation schemes in the early 1930's .. to create jobs, and save soil .. the small Terracers and Graders were widely used on these projects.
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Wed, Nov 11, 2009 5:59 AM
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Bo - What is your definition of "early 1900's"? Most people refer to the era prior to around 1920 as the "early 1900's".
Caterpillar Tractor Co didn't come into existence until 1925, so they are not normally described as an "early 1900's" company.

The grader appears to be a Caterpillar #1. It was available as a Terracer (no front wheels - the front of the frame coupled directly to a tractor), or a 4 wheel Grader.
This is the smallest grader produced by Cat .. it has an 8' moldboard and weighs a mere 1400 lbs in Terracer form, and 1600 lbs in grader form.
The S/No for the#1 commenced at P-101. This grader did not appear until 1931.

It can't be a #2 .. the #2 is 3 times the size, it weighs nearly 5000 lbs, and the gearboxes on the #2 have the worm and driveshaft from the blade lift wheels, on the bottom of the bullgear .. whereas the #1 has the worm and driveshaft on top of the bullgear.

If it was produced after Dec 7, 1931, it would have originally been yellow. The small Terracers and Graders were one of the items that Caterpillar produced in reasonable numbers during the Great Depression .. as they were cheap and affordable .. and when the Federal Govt introduced soil conservation schemes in the early 1930's .. to create jobs, and save soil .. the small Terracers and Graders were widely used on these projects.
Here what you have if its a Cat or it could be this non Cat grader then a Cat terracer
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Wed, Nov 11, 2009 9:41 AM
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Here what you have if its a Cat or it could be this non Cat grader then a Cat terracer
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hello ,here are the specs for hi-way No 4 ,bruce oz

[img]http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/3822/4hiway1.th.jpg[/img]
[img]http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/9210/4hiway2.th.jpg[/img]
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Wed, Nov 11, 2009 4:22 PM
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There are three tags on the machine.
One on the far left is in bad shape, but looks to have a "C" and the number 1 stamped on it.
The center one has Caterpillar in large letters across the top, and the patent numbers on it, with a patent date of 6/6/1918.
(if you go to my photobucket site from the link above I think there's a picture of it)
The tag on the far right has "Grader Number 3D968" on it.
My Grandfather got this machine around 1965.
The friend that gave it to him said it came from the New Orleans Fairgrounds, and was pulled by mules around the track to smooth it between horse races.
Thanks for all of the help, I appreciate it.
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Wed, Nov 11, 2009 9:11 PM
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Reply to Bo from La:
There are three tags on the machine.
One on the far left is in bad shape, but looks to have a "C" and the number 1 stamped on it.
The center one has Caterpillar in large letters across the top, and the patent numbers on it, with a patent date of 6/6/1918.
(if you go to my photobucket site from the link above I think there's a picture of it)
The tag on the far right has "Grader Number 3D968" on it.
My Grandfather got this machine around 1965.
The friend that gave it to him said it came from the New Orleans Fairgrounds, and was pulled by mules around the track to smooth it between horse races.
Thanks for all of the help, I appreciate it.
hello Bo from La ,the serial number 3D968 show it being a caterpillar No4 hi-way ,sorry i cannot give exact yr built ,bruce oz
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Wed, Nov 11, 2009 11:42 PM
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hello Bo from La ,the serial number 3D968 show it being a caterpillar No4 hi-way ,sorry i cannot give exact yr built ,bruce oz
Thanks for the help.
I really appreciate the pictures of the flyer.
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