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Ok, I've been in search forum, and execute maintenance mode lately. I hope to get a lot of maintenance and restoration done for the national show, now that I'm done restoring my 2A blade.

I have read a little on Cat pre history and I believe I understand the basics of how Caterpillar came to be business wise. I haven't even tried searching, but am curious to know more about what Holt and Best each brought to the table in terms of engineering and manufacturing. I'm assuming the first joint effort Caterpillars were a "mishmash" of Darwin engineering and manufacturing capabilities. How did that play out?
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Sat, Mar 4, 2017 11:29 PM
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Hi, Case on a Cat.
Here are some photos of what I understand was the first 'mish-mash' to come of the from the new company, around 3 years after the merge. It is currently owned and has been beautifully restored by the Veerkamp family of Placerville, CA..

[attachment=40484]Cat Expo Twenty crawler EXP0000 1927_1E_DP.jpg[/attachment][attachment=40485]Cat Expo Twenty crawler EXP0000 1927_1_DP.jpg[/attachment][attachment=40486]Cat Expo Twenty crawler EXP0000 1927_1A_DP.jpg[/attachment][attachment=40487]Cat Expo Twenty crawler EXP0000 1927_1B_DP.jpg[/attachment][attachment=40488]Cat Expo Twenty crawler EXP0000 1927_1C_DP.jpg[/attachment][attachment=40489]Cat Expo Twenty crawler EXP0000 1927_1D_DP.jpg[/attachment]

Is that 'mishy' or 'mashy' enough for you - - or the two hafta be together? LOL.

Just my warped sense of humor.
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Sun, Mar 5, 2017 1:32 AM
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Hi, Case on a Cat.
Here are some photos of what I understand was the first 'mish-mash' to come of the from the new company, around 3 years after the merge. It is currently owned and has been beautifully restored by the Veerkamp family of Placerville, CA..

[attachment=40484]Cat Expo Twenty crawler EXP0000 1927_1E_DP.jpg[/attachment][attachment=40485]Cat Expo Twenty crawler EXP0000 1927_1_DP.jpg[/attachment][attachment=40486]Cat Expo Twenty crawler EXP0000 1927_1A_DP.jpg[/attachment][attachment=40487]Cat Expo Twenty crawler EXP0000 1927_1B_DP.jpg[/attachment][attachment=40488]Cat Expo Twenty crawler EXP0000 1927_1C_DP.jpg[/attachment][attachment=40489]Cat Expo Twenty crawler EXP0000 1927_1D_DP.jpg[/attachment]

Is that 'mishy' or 'mashy' enough for you - - or the two hafta be together? LOL.

Just my warped sense of humor.
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That looks well beyond mishmash.
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Sun, Mar 5, 2017 2:32 AM
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That looks well beyond mishmash.
Carl,

Rather than have a long discussion here for your very good question, why not wait and bring it up with the exhibitors at the SM show. We can walk around and actually TOUCH parts and pieces, and check out how the various models came out, when they came out and so forth. There will be enough of them there covering the periods before WWI and the following decade, that you will be able to get a through understanding of the origins of CAT and the contributions of the two founders, Best and Holt. This will be a rare chance to do that. There will be some outstanding samples of early pre-CAT history right there at the show! Come and learn!

And that goes for everyone else who have similar questions like Carl. History will be on display in a big way!!

JanM
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Sun, Mar 5, 2017 11:00 AM
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Carl,

Rather than have a long discussion here for your very good question, why not wait and bring it up with the exhibitors at the SM show. We can walk around and actually TOUCH parts and pieces, and check out how the various models came out, when they came out and so forth. There will be enough of them there covering the periods before WWI and the following decade, that you will be able to get a through understanding of the origins of CAT and the contributions of the two founders, Best and Holt. This will be a rare chance to do that. There will be some outstanding samples of early pre-CAT history right there at the show! Come and learn!

And that goes for everyone else who have similar questions like Carl. History will be on display in a big way!!

JanM
Hi, Folks.
Jan's right - at least THIS time. There WILL be LOTZA Cat, Best and Holt history at the Santa Margarita Best Of The West Show. You will be able to wander around at your leisure, take photos, ask 'kwestyuns' - - - - - - - - - Who knows, you may even be lucky enough to get some answers that are at least 1/2-way right.

Maybe we can set Old Magnet up in a big shady tent with his favorite drink on tap, a comfy chair and desk and ALL his reference books and material at hand as the Chief Information Officer. Might hafta get Garlic Pete and Garlic mom to do a special run up to Corralitos with the Pete and Cozad to bring all the reference stuff down - and then another to carry it all back again. Just joking, O.M..

Just my 0.02.
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Sun, Mar 5, 2017 11:40 AM
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Hi, Folks.
Jan's right - at least THIS time. There WILL be LOTZA Cat, Best and Holt history at the Santa Margarita Best Of The West Show. You will be able to wander around at your leisure, take photos, ask 'kwestyuns' - - - - - - - - - Who knows, you may even be lucky enough to get some answers that are at least 1/2-way right.

Maybe we can set Old Magnet up in a big shady tent with his favorite drink on tap, a comfy chair and desk and ALL his reference books and material at hand as the Chief Information Officer. Might hafta get Garlic Pete and Garlic mom to do a special run up to Corralitos with the Pete and Cozad to bring all the reference stuff down - and then another to carry it all back again. Just joking, O.M..

Just my 0.02.
Aww man... I have to wait.

Good point though Jan. That will be pretty cool. What a quick and thorough introduction to Caterpillars. This is good timing for me only by chance.

I am defenetly looking for an opportunity to see a lot of D2's, to better understand what every little detail looked like from the factory and see the clever adaptations made by owners since.
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Sun, Mar 5, 2017 11:18 PM
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Aww man... I have to wait.

Good point though Jan. That will be pretty cool. What a quick and thorough introduction to Caterpillars. This is good timing for me only by chance.

I am defenetly looking for an opportunity to see a lot of D2's, to better understand what every little detail looked like from the factory and see the clever adaptations made by owners since.
Hey CaseonaCat,

"Warning"... there is no stopping this addiction once it starts. Oh Sure, you'll disguise it as a history fact finding mission, but we know all too well... You will start with D2's, then think maybe just a little D4, then you'll be hooked. The addiction will cause you to try a D6, then all at once you'll crave more power. Just a little seat time on a D7. The urge to feel the bass vibrating through your chest, as you get a Cat to "Bark" pure "Power" will control your addiction. Fare Warning when you cross the boundaries of the D8. Nothing like a 14-a to get your addiction fix. But you won't be able to stop...Side x Side Cats, Stretch D8's, D9's, Graders, Scrapers, but wait... how about a "Best", a "Holt"...

Be fare Warned my friend... there is No Turning Back... hahahaha:eyebrows:
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Mon, Mar 6, 2017 12:20 AM
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Aww man... I have to wait.

Good point though Jan. That will be pretty cool. What a quick and thorough introduction to Caterpillars. This is good timing for me only by chance.

I am defenetly looking for an opportunity to see a lot of D2's, to better understand what every little detail looked like from the factory and see the clever adaptations made by owners since.
[quote="case on a cat"]Aww man... I have to wait.

Good point though Jan. That will be pretty cool. What a quick and thorough introduction to Caterpillars. This is good timing for me only by chance.

I am defenetly looking for an opportunity to see a lot of D2's, to better understand what every little detail looked like from the factory and see the clever adaptations made by owners since.[/quote]

Case on a Cat,

Did you know that Clark Gable once owned a D2 (or an R2? Can't remember which). Well, unless I miss my guess, you'll be able to have your picture taken standing next to it!

By the way, Don't get too stressed out from Glen's message. When you get to the D8 size "needing an addiction fix", I'll gladly let you try out my 14A so you can avoid any entanglements with one that size!

JanM
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[quote="case on a cat"]Aww man... I have to wait.

Good point though Jan. That will be pretty cool. What a quick and thorough introduction to Caterpillars. This is good timing for me only by chance.

I am defenetly looking for an opportunity to see a lot of D2's, to better understand what every little detail looked like from the factory and see the clever adaptations made by owners since.[/quote]

Case on a Cat,

Did you know that Clark Gable once owned a D2 (or an R2? Can't remember which). Well, unless I miss my guess, you'll be able to have your picture taken standing next to it!

By the way, Don't get too stressed out from Glen's message. When you get to the D8 size "needing an addiction fix", I'll gladly let you try out my 14A so you can avoid any entanglements with one that size!

JanM
Jan

7C Fifteen. It will be at the show dressed in its original Bishop citrus fenders


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Mon, Mar 6, 2017 4:13 AM
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7C Fifteen. It will be at the show dressed in its original Bishop citrus fenders


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Well, I can't think of a better place to see everything, from the early Holts, to the early Bests, to the late models of each molded into new colors sporting a new name. Caterpillar was built on all the best that both companies had to offer, and was dead set on becoming a worldwide entity back when most people had a hard time getting across the United States. Vision, dedication, perseverance, and changes in engineering and metallurgy have brought Caterpillar from where it began to where it is now. The most amazing thing is you will truly see the extreme of both ends of the spectrum at this show!
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Mon, Mar 6, 2017 7:13 AM
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Well, I can't think of a better place to see everything, from the early Holts, to the early Bests, to the late models of each molded into new colors sporting a new name. Caterpillar was built on all the best that both companies had to offer, and was dead set on becoming a worldwide entity back when most people had a hard time getting across the United States. Vision, dedication, perseverance, and changes in engineering and metallurgy have brought Caterpillar from where it began to where it is now. The most amazing thing is you will truly see the extreme of both ends of the spectrum at this show!
Hate to tell you this guys but I got some seat time actually working a Cat D8K. And as most of you know I a spent a little time on tanks. Tanks win hands down!

Rick
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