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Hi guys I got problems with hard start on D2

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Hello all ; Hope you guys can point me in the right direction.I tried to start the D2 5J on Monday with no luck.I have only had the Cat about a year and a half.Ran it once or twice and put it in the shed.It has sat for a year without running .So anyways I went to start it to use it to pull a stuck tractor out.I got the pony motor running alright. Then I engaged the big engine to let it warm up.After a little while put the fuel to it .Started to get some white smoke and every once in awhile it kicked with a little black.This went on for a little while until I notice fuel pressure was in caution spot.Now I'm putting diesel in thinking it was out unsure thou.Started opening injector lines and just getting air and small spirts of fuel.Open thumb screw on front of filter housing got diesel and some air bubbles.I continue this for over a hour and a half.Fuel pressure never got out of caution.It's not getting fuel and I can not find the way to make it.I gave up and put the new float in the carb on the J.D. A .Which is hand start and I used it to pull other tractor out.Any help would be great Thanks😕
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Thu, Feb 11, 2010 3:22 PM
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hello laying tracks ,form sitting for awhile it may have a stuck fuel rack in the injector pump ,if you take the cover of the side and make sure rack is moving when you move the throttle lever. you may need to change out the fuel filter as well with low pressure but if it has been running they should let you start it up ,it may have trouble under heaver load .bruce oz
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Thu, Feb 11, 2010 5:31 PM
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Hi Laying Tracks.......I have had a similar problem as well. Through the process of finding out the problem I found and corrected several others. So to make a long story short I haven't started my D2 yet. I have three threads started that go into detail pretty well as to what I found and have had great help from the guys here with solutions. You won't find a better group of people willing to help than the ones here . Check my latest threads here and I think you may find a solution as it is easier to read than to re-post everything. If it still won't crank then I am sure you will get more help here.
I feel my major problem was the fuel transfer pump and from that overhaul I just did replacing of fuel line,main filter replacing and added a pre-filter. Did some work on the governor as well.
Good luck.........Bill
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Thu, Feb 11, 2010 5:33 PM
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Hi Laying Tracks.......I have had a similar problem as well. Through the process of finding out the problem I found and corrected several others. So to make a long story short I haven't started my D2 yet. I have three threads started that go into detail pretty well as to what I found and have had great help from the guys here with solutions. You won't find a better group of people willing to help than the ones here . Check my latest threads here and I think you may find a solution as it is easier to read than to re-post everything. If it still won't crank then I am sure you will get more help here.
I feel my major problem was the fuel transfer pump and from that overhaul I just did replacing of fuel line,main filter replacing and added a pre-filter. Did some work on the governor as well.
Good luck.........Bill
Well there's white smoke and there's clouds of white smoke😊 If you're not getting clouds of white smoke with the throttle wide open, (PULL it open, HARD)........like Bruce says, check the rack. If it's stuck in shutoff, it's most likely because one or more pump plungers are stuck up and not not returning after the cam pushes them up. Spray them with something and work them up and down with a screwdriver. You can also spray the rack bar where is slides through the housing on each end, but it's not normally the problem.

Many of these old tractors will not show good fuel pressure until the main engine starts up, so if it registers any pressure, I expect you're good to start. You could go ahead and check the pressure control valve down on the fuel inlet block, since it is what controls the pressure of the fuel that makes it through the filters. Of course the transfer pump has to create any pressure and may be worn enough that is just won't do any more than that.
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Thu, Feb 11, 2010 8:10 PM
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Well there's white smoke and there's clouds of white smoke😊 If you're not getting clouds of white smoke with the throttle wide open, (PULL it open, HARD)........like Bruce says, check the rack. If it's stuck in shutoff, it's most likely because one or more pump plungers are stuck up and not not returning after the cam pushes them up. Spray them with something and work them up and down with a screwdriver. You can also spray the rack bar where is slides through the housing on each end, but it's not normally the problem.

Many of these old tractors will not show good fuel pressure until the main engine starts up, so if it registers any pressure, I expect you're good to start. You could go ahead and check the pressure control valve down on the fuel inlet block, since it is what controls the pressure of the fuel that makes it through the filters. Of course the transfer pump has to create any pressure and may be worn enough that is just won't do any more than that.
Get a can of starting fluid and with it turning sniff a little in the air cleaner inlet and see if it fires up. If not then there has to be some other problem.Low pressure sometimes is caused by junk getting under the relief valve inside the adapter that the main line comes from the fuel tank to the transfer pump.Seen dozens of them with that problem and stretch the spring som before you put it back together. Also the pump body gets a groove worn in it from the relief valve so draw filing it flat helps. Also a worn relief valve usually is a cause so if it has a solid plastic valve then it,s the old out dated ne. The replacement one is a metal body with a neoprene flat seat on it where it touches the pump body where I stated that usually needs draw filing.
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Thu, Feb 11, 2010 8:56 PM
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O.K. I'll check these things out and let you know.Little better state of mind now.I just wanted to mention that I did give her a snort of starting fluid.And of coarse she started to go and stop when the fluid ran out.I'm going to take the book with me to help trouble shoot.Wish me luck. Thanks again 😊
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Thu, Feb 11, 2010 11:14 PM
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Another thing to check is whether you have sediment covering the pickup line in the tank. You may want to pull the fuel line on the tank side of the filter and blow back into the tank.

Be cautious with the starting fluid. If the engine hadn't needed it before now then using much of it is not a good idea until you're sure about whether there is fuel going thru the injector lines.
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Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:10 AM
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Another thing to check is whether you have sediment covering the pickup line in the tank. You may want to pull the fuel line on the tank side of the filter and blow back into the tank.

Be cautious with the starting fluid. If the engine hadn't needed it before now then using much of it is not a good idea until you're sure about whether there is fuel going thru the injector lines.
As 83 Jim said make sure your getting fuel to the pumps. Pull the throttle on and turn the engine over and loosen each fuel line one at a time and you should be getting fuel coming out the pumps if it,s getting fuel.Also as was mentioned before, pull the side cover off the injection housing and see if the rack moves when you pull the throttle off and on.
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Fri, Feb 12, 2010 3:34 AM
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As 83 Jim said make sure your getting fuel to the pumps. Pull the throttle on and turn the engine over and loosen each fuel line one at a time and you should be getting fuel coming out the pumps if it,s getting fuel.Also as was mentioned before, pull the side cover off the injection housing and see if the rack moves when you pull the throttle off and on.
As ccjersey said, yank HARD on the throttle. I had the exact problem with my D4 last spring. Classic no-fuel symptoms. I thought I had the throttle open, bled the lines, changed the filters, etc. etc. Finally, in frustration as it was running down from another shot of ether, I yanked HARD on the throttle. The rack must have been stuck, but that freed it up and it roared into life..

This was an electric start w/o glowplugs, so I only had a limited window of cranking before I had to recharge the battery which didn't help any.
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