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Cysco
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This is a question asked before but I looked for the answer and couldn't find it. Can anyone help me with suggestions on the proper oils. I know the composition of modern oils are different from when my 1956 D2 was built. I have an operation/maintenance manual but it covers a lot of years but experience is important as well. I also have the old grease can for the rollers from my Dads 1953 Cat D2 which is half full. It appears to be okay as far as consistancy but am open for opinions and also what to now use.
BTW...I did get the pony carb gasket fixed but decided to steam clean the Cat before firing off....hopefully !
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Thu, Mar 19, 2009 4:28 PM
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Hi I use# 00 thickness grease in the track roller/idlers #2 in the zerks engine just a basic cf spec 15/40 wt, pony can use the same but it will loosen any sludge so I would change it every time its run a few times to flush it, starter pinion same or ATF if it drags in cold weather and 90wt gear oil in trans/finals, hope this helps have fun ....
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Thu, Mar 19, 2009 9:29 PM
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Reply to Roland:
Hi I use# 00 thickness grease in the track roller/idlers #2 in the zerks engine just a basic cf spec 15/40 wt, pony can use the same but it will loosen any sludge so I would change it every time its run a few times to flush it, starter pinion same or ATF if it drags in cold weather and 90wt gear oil in trans/finals, hope this helps have fun ....
I just bought a couple buckets of 00 Chevron and it is now $88 per bucket. I think it is 35# per bucket.

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Tue, Mar 24, 2009 12:22 AM
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Reply to D4Jim:
I just bought a couple buckets of 00 Chevron and it is now $88 per bucket. I think it is 35# per bucket.

http://www.matweb.com/search/datasheettext.aspx?matguid=64e25e2aadf14ad68a2aa729de924250
I use 30wt SL rated oil---do not use SM rated oil as it will not lubricate properly
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Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:07 AM
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I use 30wt SL rated oil---do not use SM rated oil as it will not lubricate properly
i got my grease from my bulk dealer about 60 bucks a 5 gal pail i think its about 35 lbs and non detergent 30 weight oil they keep both in stock the case of 30 weight was 13.90$ but i kind of live in the sticks and not a big city in the whole state nothing here bigger than 50.000 as a real big city ๐Ÿ˜Š and yes john in wyoming its a little bigger but not as much wind ๐Ÿ˜Š
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Tue, Mar 24, 2009 11:45 AM
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i got my grease from my bulk dealer about 60 bucks a 5 gal pail i think its about 35 lbs and non detergent 30 weight oil they keep both in stock the case of 30 weight was 13.90$ but i kind of live in the sticks and not a big city in the whole state nothing here bigger than 50.000 as a real big city ๐Ÿ˜Š and yes john in wyoming its a little bigger but not as much wind ๐Ÿ˜Š
Okay I have a line on the 00 grease for the track rollers. But am still not really sure on the proper oils for the balance of the fluids. Looks like there are a couple different oil types posted....ie 30w non detergent oil and 15w-40
Here is what the former owner used in the D2.
Engine oi - Pennzoil Long Life 15w-40
Hydraulic Oil - Shell Dontax TD
Final Drives - Pennzoil Gear oil 80w-90w
They could not remember what was in the transmission
The clutch is an oil bath type.

I am still reading all the info I have on the D2 as time permits and am learning a lot but have a long way to go. This has been a good experience and everyone here has been very helpful. I do appreciate the patience.
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Tue, Mar 24, 2009 4:28 PM
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Reply to Cysco:
Okay I have a line on the 00 grease for the track rollers. But am still not really sure on the proper oils for the balance of the fluids. Looks like there are a couple different oil types posted....ie 30w non detergent oil and 15w-40
Here is what the former owner used in the D2.
Engine oi - Pennzoil Long Life 15w-40
Hydraulic Oil - Shell Dontax TD
Final Drives - Pennzoil Gear oil 80w-90w
They could not remember what was in the transmission
The clutch is an oil bath type.

I am still reading all the info I have on the D2 as time permits and am learning a lot but have a long way to go. This has been a good experience and everyone here has been very helpful. I do appreciate the patience.
I can,t see why the oils that the other owner used wouldn,t be ok and the trans. oil should be the same as the final drives that you posted.Oil clutches always used the same oil as was used in the engine.
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Tue, Mar 24, 2009 6:50 PM
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I can,t see why the oils that the other owner used wouldn,t be ok and the trans. oil should be the same as the final drives that you posted.Oil clutches always used the same oil as was used in the engine.
Do not under any circumstances use non detergent oils in a diesel engine..๐Ÿ˜ฎ the Caterpillar company were early pioneers of detergent oils which helped make the diesel engine the sucess it is today ๐Ÿ˜„ make sure the oil spec has "C" for compression somewhere in it ce,cf or simalar "S" spec is for gasoline engines, fine in the pony or a girly gas powered truck but not in a mans engine๐Ÿ˜„
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Wed, Mar 25, 2009 2:33 AM
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Do not under any circumstances use non detergent oils in a diesel engine..๐Ÿ˜ฎ the Caterpillar company were early pioneers of detergent oils which helped make the diesel engine the sucess it is today ๐Ÿ˜„ make sure the oil spec has "C" for compression somewhere in it ce,cf or simalar "S" spec is for gasoline engines, fine in the pony or a girly gas powered truck but not in a mans engine๐Ÿ˜„
Oh and 30wt oil would be ok as 15/40 and other multigrades wasn't invented until the seventys but it would give your engine better protection if you use 15/40 as 30 wt thins out in heat and is very thick in cold weather
where as 15/40 is thiner in cold and stays thicker when hot and gets over the old problem of needing to be changing oil for different ambiant temps like in the old days when say a 10wt was used for arctic conditions to a 40wt in desert temps...
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Wed, Mar 25, 2009 2:52 AM
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Oh and 30wt oil would be ok as 15/40 and other multigrades wasn't invented until the seventys but it would give your engine better protection if you use 15/40 as 30 wt thins out in heat and is very thick in cold weather
where as 15/40 is thiner in cold and stays thicker when hot and gets over the old problem of needing to be changing oil for different ambiant temps like in the old days when say a 10wt was used for arctic conditions to a 40wt in desert temps...
Roland--I take exception to "girly gas powered truck but not in a man's engine"--๐Ÿ˜„ --when its 15 below zero here the diesel engines are a real pain to get going and to keep running! my dump trucks/snowplows are all gas and i would never buy one with a diesel engine as the gas engines start so much better and the fuel doesn't gel.
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Wed, Mar 25, 2009 3:36 AM
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Roland--I take exception to "girly gas powered truck but not in a man's engine"--๐Ÿ˜„ --when its 15 below zero here the diesel engines are a real pain to get going and to keep running! my dump trucks/snowplows are all gas and i would never buy one with a diesel engine as the gas engines start so much better and the fuel doesn't gel.


๐Ÿ˜ฎ Oh sorry guess you have a point, it dont get real cold here but our diesel dosent seem to wax like it used to... a big percentage of cars over here are diesels and almost all commercials and light trucks are also diesel
powered, the tecnology is improving all the time so there is little demand for
gas powered stuff over here , but specialist aplications like yours suit them ๐Ÿ˜Š
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