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After I posted this in the thread of my earlier email ACMOC - In Financial and Governance Trouble?? I thought it was sufficiently important to have its own thread.

Hello Andy

Thank you for posting in this thread and acknowledging that my correspondence to you has gone I un-acknowledged for three months until - today.

I also appreciate you sharing your view and observation to the Board at the June face to face meeting in Peoria (underlined in your post) “that we have lost our mission direction”. I believe that many senior BB members and club members would agree with that statement. I appreciate this new level of transparency, and trust that it will continue.

So following up on this statement I can only assume that a majority of the directors did not agree with you, as I understand that following that Peoria meeting (and in the face the financial analysis in my four page letter) that an order and commitment was entered into for the manufacture and supply of a new D4 model at a cost of USD150-180,000, and that a deposit of USD18,000 was paid. As the reality of the club financial position became apparent (even to the financially deaf & blind) that order has had to be cancelled. At the time that this order was placed it must have been clear that this would not be manufactured in China and shipped Stateside for delivery and distribution for the 2018 US gift season. I could be unfairly speculating to wonder what considerations if any were given to the price point impacts of the US / China tariff issues. One of my concerns here is how could this order have been placed, without a clear and identified means of payment?? Is this insolvent trading or was the financial position of the Club not clear??

Troubled by this I looked to see who may indeed be running the club!? While as members we elect Directors, it would seem that the elected Directors are far from running the club!!

Attached is a table outlining the composition of the various committees. I would invite all BB and Club members to look critically at the key committees, and the chairmen of the committees, and where the possible problems are both financially and in governance. It would seem that the elected directors are only a majority in two of the committees, and while membership is very important it is not the source of the current problems. Elected Directors are neither the Treasurer or Secretary.

Governance Question. How much power and control should rest with one person, and if things go wrong how much accountability should be expected??

Hudson

[attachment=50822]ACMOC 2018 Committee analysis.pdf[/attachment]
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Wed, Sep 26, 2018 8:04 AM
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Thankyou Hudson for continuing to draw attention to the real time financial issues facing our Club, I do appreciate the hard work of our Directors and their task is usually thankless, however we have discussed this issue of toys potentially destroying the Club on many occasions haven't we and it was only the good fortune of losing all our old unsaleable toys a few years back in a shed fire and the resultant insurance payout that bought us a few more years grace, and it now sounds like we are basically broke once again.

I've said on many occasions that the ACMOC Club seems to me to be run more like a $10,000,000 turnover company than a $100,000 company, with Directors and staff flying not just across the U.S.A. to meetings or rallies, but flying internationally too with 2 International Directors based here in Australia expected to attend Board meetings in the U.S. that might only last a few hours, and that cost to the Club is ridiculous, flights, motels, meals, possibly car hire too, I do know current and previous Australian Directors have paid some significant travel expenses out of their own pockets on these trips, to the tune of hundreds and even thousands of dollars over the term of their Directorship.

Boards exist for one reason only, and that is "To protect the shareholders from the actions of the Management Team", so with ACMOC now seemingly heading for bankruptcy one more time, and just a few years since we narrowly averted disaster, I think we need to have a good hard look at the skill set of the folks in the back ground who are making these decisions on our behalf whether they be current or former Directors, our "Management Team", because the toy sales concept is obviously well passed it's use by date and our constant requests for actual reproduction parts for our old Cats hasn't gained any real traction has it, nor has our much discussed Technical Library.

I'm trying save over 20 old Cat wrecks here in Australia and I need quality reproduction parts at fair prices to have any hope of making headway, and I need a Club that is honest and upfront with Financial Members like me, I'm on the record here on the Bulletin Board suggesting price increases for membership years ago when I discovered the Club was losing money on international memberships, so I'm not scared of bad news if it is delivered in a timely fashion, with room to move and modify behaviour and management practices to turn the ship around, but I am scared of bad news delivered too late, when the Club is actually bankrupt or when trading while insolvent, and I am terrified of well meaning folks with no skills in marketing making $100,000-$150,000 decisions on new toys when I actually need 20 new oil pressure gauges and 5 Ensign BeV carburetors.

I look forward to hearing what ideas the BOD is working on, and it sounds like decisions need to be made sooner rather than later, this Bulletin Board has a lot of very smart and passionate folks using it daily who can bounce ideas around in a timely fashion, to be honest the idea of the Club incurring extra expense mailing me a Dear John letter in a few months time sadly doesn't inspire me with confidence, this conversation needed to happen a year ago, maybe even 2 years ago.
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Wed, Sep 26, 2018 9:08 AM
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Reply to Mike Meyer:
Thankyou Hudson for continuing to draw attention to the real time financial issues facing our Club, I do appreciate the hard work of our Directors and their task is usually thankless, however we have discussed this issue of toys potentially destroying the Club on many occasions haven't we and it was only the good fortune of losing all our old unsaleable toys a few years back in a shed fire and the resultant insurance payout that bought us a few more years grace, and it now sounds like we are basically broke once again.

I've said on many occasions that the ACMOC Club seems to me to be run more like a $10,000,000 turnover company than a $100,000 company, with Directors and staff flying not just across the U.S.A. to meetings or rallies, but flying internationally too with 2 International Directors based here in Australia expected to attend Board meetings in the U.S. that might only last a few hours, and that cost to the Club is ridiculous, flights, motels, meals, possibly car hire too, I do know current and previous Australian Directors have paid some significant travel expenses out of their own pockets on these trips, to the tune of hundreds and even thousands of dollars over the term of their Directorship.

Boards exist for one reason only, and that is "To protect the shareholders from the actions of the Management Team", so with ACMOC now seemingly heading for bankruptcy one more time, and just a few years since we narrowly averted disaster, I think we need to have a good hard look at the skill set of the folks in the back ground who are making these decisions on our behalf whether they be current or former Directors, our "Management Team", because the toy sales concept is obviously well passed it's use by date and our constant requests for actual reproduction parts for our old Cats hasn't gained any real traction has it, nor has our much discussed Technical Library.

I'm trying save over 20 old Cat wrecks here in Australia and I need quality reproduction parts at fair prices to have any hope of making headway, and I need a Club that is honest and upfront with Financial Members like me, I'm on the record here on the Bulletin Board suggesting price increases for membership years ago when I discovered the Club was losing money on international memberships, so I'm not scared of bad news if it is delivered in a timely fashion, with room to move and modify behaviour and management practices to turn the ship around, but I am scared of bad news delivered too late, when the Club is actually bankrupt or when trading while insolvent, and I am terrified of well meaning folks with no skills in marketing making $100,000-$150,000 decisions on new toys when I actually need 20 new oil pressure gauges and 5 Ensign BeV carburetors.

I look forward to hearing what ideas the BOD is working on, and it sounds like decisions need to be made sooner rather than later, this Bulletin Board has a lot of very smart and passionate folks using it daily who can bounce ideas around in a timely fashion, to be honest the idea of the Club incurring extra expense mailing me a Dear John letter in a few months time sadly doesn't inspire me with confidence, this conversation needed to happen a year ago, maybe even 2 years ago.
Sincerely
Mike
I think everyone is well aware that a new source(s) of income is needed for the club to maintain and or grow.

Instead of pointing out what is wrong, may be a different approach is when these areas of concern are highlighted a possible solution (even if short term) is also suggested.

Grandpa always said "Its easy to find a problem but can be very difficult to find a solution"
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Thu, Sep 27, 2018 4:00 AM
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I think everyone is well aware that a new source(s) of income is needed for the club to maintain and or grow.

Instead of pointing out what is wrong, may be a different approach is when these areas of concern are highlighted a possible solution (even if short term) is also suggested.

Grandpa always said "Its easy to find a problem but can be very difficult to find a solution"
[quote="chriscokid"]I think everyone is well aware that a new source(s) of income is needed for the club to maintain and or grow.

Instead of pointing out what is wrong, may be a different approach is when these areas of concern are highlighted a possible solution (even if short term) is also suggested.

Grandpa always said "Its easy to find a problem but can be very difficult to find a solution"[/quote]

Well said. M
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Reply to Member2103:
[quote="chriscokid"]I think everyone is well aware that a new source(s) of income is needed for the club to maintain and or grow.

Instead of pointing out what is wrong, may be a different approach is when these areas of concern are highlighted a possible solution (even if short term) is also suggested.

Grandpa always said "Its easy to find a problem but can be very difficult to find a solution"[/quote]

Well said. M
OK, how about a BB membership only and skip the lofty mission statement and magazine approach. Make the BB view only until a payed membership is established. So far haven't been able to get a response as to what the cost is to support the BB. Maybe if things get desperate enough there will be some creativity.
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Reply to chriscokid:
I think everyone is well aware that a new source(s) of income is needed for the club to maintain and or grow.

Instead of pointing out what is wrong, may be a different approach is when these areas of concern are highlighted a possible solution (even if short term) is also suggested.

Grandpa always said "Its easy to find a problem but can be very difficult to find a solution"
[quote="chriscokid"]I think everyone is well aware that a new source(s) of income is needed for the club to maintain and or grow.

Instead of pointing out what is wrong, may be a different approach is when these areas of concern are highlighted a possible solution (even if short term) is also suggested.

Grandpa always said "Its easy to find a problem but can be very difficult to find a solution"[/quote]

Hello Erik

Nice to see you following this post. You have posted this quote in the past, and as a member of the Website and Magazine committee you have had the opportunity over the past period to act on the words. Given the circumstances there are proactive steps that could have been taken some months ago, by the Website and Magazine committee. Just off the top of my head:

1. Look to change the Magazine back to 4 times a year in an orderly and cost effective manner.
2. Ensure that the contract for the production of the Magazine was prudent and had flexibility to allow 1. above to occur if it was ever necessary
3. Offer a discounted Subscription for a PDF version of the Magazine which is emailed out.
4. Follow up on the bulk mailing of International magazines to International Members
5. Look to generate advertising revenue from the Website.

Were none of these initiatives followed up because the Board did not have timely, clear and accurate financial information??? Will we see a mixture of the above initiates being announced in coming weeks by the Board now that the financial position is apparent even to the financially blind and deaf??

I can make these comments because I wrote to the President in June 2018 in a four page letter outlining concerns on the financial position that I was able to analyse from the Magazine. He spoke to my letter at the Peoria meeting, where the matters I raised I understand were "poo hoo-ed" but since proven accurate. Andy has confirmed in his post two days ago that he never acknowledged or replied to my letter. I gave the President two opportunities to respond to me and work on solutions off line - which were not taken. The time for this has passed, but obviously there was no need felt to explore my concerns, or explore the solutions I may have had. Help has to be wanted!!

This situation is not about needing more revenue sources as you suggest in your post - but that would help. This is about a Board of Directors not knowing the true financial position of the club, nor exercising prudent governance, nor implementing appropriate business strategies to changing circumstances. evidence the D4 order placed in June 2018. Lets see what the 2017 & 2018 Minutes show when they are posted on the member only section. But a Governance question is my haven't they being posted monthly on the way thru...…..

Experience has shown me many times that people that get a business or an organisation INTO the "brown stuff" are not the people to get it OUT of the "brown stuff". I agree with your Grandpa - finding solutions is harder than problems. SO one immediate solution could be to clear the Board of people that have allowed this situation to develop and go unanswered.

Hudson
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Thu, Sep 27, 2018 6:02 AM
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OK, how about a BB membership only and skip the lofty mission statement and magazine approach. Make the BB view only until a payed membership is established. So far haven't been able to get a response as to what the cost is to support the BB. Maybe if things get desperate enough there will be some creativity.


Sounds reasonable. Magazine is nice but I could certainly do without it. BB is why I became a member and it is well worth the cost in my opinion.
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Thu, Sep 27, 2018 7:14 AM
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Sounds reasonable. Magazine is nice but I could certainly do without it. BB is why I became a member and it is well worth the cost in my opinion.
Exactly my thoughts! Thats why I made a donation to the club rather than a membership, that way they save the cost of sending a magazine to me.
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Thu, Sep 27, 2018 7:40 AM
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[quote="chriscokid"]I think everyone is well aware that a new source(s) of income is needed for the club to maintain and or grow.

Instead of pointing out what is wrong, may be a different approach is when these areas of concern are highlighted a possible solution (even if short term) is also suggested.

Grandpa always said "Its easy to find a problem but can be very difficult to find a solution"[/quote]

Hello Erik

Nice to see you following this post. You have posted this quote in the past, and as a member of the Website and Magazine committee you have had the opportunity over the past period to act on the words. Given the circumstances there are proactive steps that could have been taken some months ago, by the Website and Magazine committee. Just off the top of my head:

1. Look to change the Magazine back to 4 times a year in an orderly and cost effective manner.
2. Ensure that the contract for the production of the Magazine was prudent and had flexibility to allow 1. above to occur if it was ever necessary
3. Offer a discounted Subscription for a PDF version of the Magazine which is emailed out.
4. Follow up on the bulk mailing of International magazines to International Members
5. Look to generate advertising revenue from the Website.

Were none of these initiatives followed up because the Board did not have timely, clear and accurate financial information??? Will we see a mixture of the above initiates being announced in coming weeks by the Board now that the financial position is apparent even to the financially blind and deaf??

I can make these comments because I wrote to the President in June 2018 in a four page letter outlining concerns on the financial position that I was able to analyse from the Magazine. He spoke to my letter at the Peoria meeting, where the matters I raised I understand were "poo hoo-ed" but since proven accurate. Andy has confirmed in his post two days ago that he never acknowledged or replied to my letter. I gave the President two opportunities to respond to me and work on solutions off line - which were not taken. The time for this has passed, but obviously there was no need felt to explore my concerns, or explore the solutions I may have had. Help has to be wanted!!

This situation is not about needing more revenue sources as you suggest in your post - but that would help. This is about a Board of Directors not knowing the true financial position of the club, nor exercising prudent governance, nor implementing appropriate business strategies to changing circumstances. evidence the D4 order placed in June 2018. Lets see what the 2017 & 2018 Minutes show when they are posted on the member only section. But a Governance question is my haven't they being posted monthly on the way thru...…..

Experience has shown me many times that people that get a business or an organisation INTO the "brown stuff" are not the people to get it OUT of the "brown stuff". I agree with your Grandpa - finding solutions is harder than problems. SO one immediate solution could be to clear the Board of people that have allowed this situation to develop and go unanswered.

Hudson
Good evening to all
First to clear up some misconceptions.
Mike, yes reimbursement of directors expense is allowed, it is capped at $500 USD and may only be use for airfare if flying, or mileage if driving.
I to have several gray cats in restoration that I to could use affordable parts for, gauges being one for example. Past Director Dan W worked on this for 2 years, the issue in this case is not being able to source the internal mechanism to fit the odd sized gauge case, and no one willing to fabricate new cases in the limited quantities that are desired. It was determined the best course of action was to proceed with the gauge faces, and glass. We have also looked at head gaskets for example. If you compare the product sourced out of the Asian region with that which comes from the US their is a vast difference, quality and yes price. Given their use and that it is assumed that the parts are Caterpillar, whether they come from Caterpillar or not, a standard must be maintained to defend the brand.
The issue with the models is that there is no other product that we can create that provides as great a ROI. Of course we can sell hats, gloves, books, flashlight and the like, but so can everyone else, what was needed was a product unique to us, that could be controlled by us. The program began long before I even joined ACMOC, and it is the only reason that as Hudson has stated we had assets of $800K+.

Magnet, honestly we did not feel that any non member ACMOC would purchase a membership on the BB only. We do know the cost of the BB, it is listed in the magazine bi monthly as Website expenses, these do of course also cover the rest of the site, but they are extremely intertwined and not something that could be separated easily, on this I do have to trust other for this information as I am not a software engineer. If enough interest could be shown in this, it is relatively easy to add this type of item to the store, it would take some programming I am sure, and like every other thing in life there are costs involved, but it should be further explored.

Hudson, we have not paid $18K for the models, no models were ordered and could not be until a prototype was produced, evaluated and approved by Caterpillar. If you look back at the BB the process was documented for the previous D4 models. We have taken some steps to evaluate our cost structure and have slowed the program down, true the total cost when all tooling, and initial purchase is made it totals a significant sum, however once the sales are made an even greater amount is realized.
Your committee analysis was almost correct, Bill is the Vice President, you left off the Executive Committee of which I am the Chairman of, the Presidents Committee which includes myself and the past 3 Presidents. As Mike mentioned and you also brought up that the handling of magazines should be looked into, that has in fact already happened, your current issue was sent to the AU post for handling and mailing at a greatly reduced rate, this was in the works a more than a month ago, but you have to wait to actually produce the magazine, which I do apologize for being late this issue, their were some issues at the publishing house.

Indeed "Cleaning House" could be an option, but who do you fill it with? There was only 1 person that volunteered to fill a term, 2 positions are open to write in. During your 2 years on the Board you worked along with Pete to create our current financial structure and reporting system, but did not seek re-election. Mike I do agree, this position has become more thankless, but also to Eric's point, highlight solutions, just as Magnet has.

Andy
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[quote="chriscokid"]I think everyone is well aware that a new source(s) of income is needed for the club to maintain and or grow.

Instead of pointing out what is wrong, may be a different approach is when these areas of concern are highlighted a possible solution (even if short term) is also suggested.

Grandpa always said "Its easy to find a problem but can be very difficult to find a solution"[/quote]

Hello Erik

Nice to see you following this post. You have posted this quote in the past, and as a member of the Website and Magazine committee you have had the opportunity over the past period to act on the words. Given the circumstances there are proactive steps that could have been taken some months ago, by the Website and Magazine committee. Just off the top of my head:

1. Look to change the Magazine back to 4 times a year in an orderly and cost effective manner.
2. Ensure that the contract for the production of the Magazine was prudent and had flexibility to allow 1. above to occur if it was ever necessary
3. Offer a discounted Subscription for a PDF version of the Magazine which is emailed out.
4. Follow up on the bulk mailing of International magazines to International Members
5. Look to generate advertising revenue from the Website.

Were none of these initiatives followed up because the Board did not have timely, clear and accurate financial information??? Will we see a mixture of the above initiates being announced in coming weeks by the Board now that the financial position is apparent even to the financially blind and deaf??

I can make these comments because I wrote to the President in June 2018 in a four page letter outlining concerns on the financial position that I was able to analyse from the Magazine. He spoke to my letter at the Peoria meeting, where the matters I raised I understand were "poo hoo-ed" but since proven accurate. Andy has confirmed in his post two days ago that he never acknowledged or replied to my letter. I gave the President two opportunities to respond to me and work on solutions off line - which were not taken. The time for this has passed, but obviously there was no need felt to explore my concerns, or explore the solutions I may have had. Help has to be wanted!!

This situation is not about needing more revenue sources as you suggest in your post - but that would help. This is about a Board of Directors not knowing the true financial position of the club, nor exercising prudent governance, nor implementing appropriate business strategies to changing circumstances. evidence the D4 order placed in June 2018. Lets see what the 2017 & 2018 Minutes show when they are posted on the member only section. But a Governance question is my haven't they being posted monthly on the way thru...…..

Experience has shown me many times that people that get a business or an organisation INTO the "brown stuff" are not the people to get it OUT of the "brown stuff". I agree with your Grandpa - finding solutions is harder than problems. SO one immediate solution could be to clear the Board of people that have allowed this situation to develop and go unanswered.

Hudson
Hudson all those areas have been discussed in great detail
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Hudson all those areas have been discussed in great detail


That's the point, lots of discussion, no action, just keep doing the same old stuff expecting salvation.
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