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CarlsCAT
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Hello,...
Got a CAT 212 Grader that's getting diesel fuel in the engine oil...Changed oil, filters, and have diesel in the oil again...The engine runs fine without any smoke...But, after grading for awhile, I noticed an oil trail on the highway where back up and turn around...Appears to be coming from the breather cap...and smells of diesel...
Could this be coming from the injection pump?...through the drive off the engine?...
Thanks...
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Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:08 PM
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There are "tell tale" drains on the injector pump housing and the transfer pump which should drip any leakage from those areas out the drain lines at the right rear corner of the block as it sits in the grader. If these lines are not crushed or blocked, the most likely culprit is the o-ring between the injection pump housing and the fuel filter tower. I no longer have a 212 book, but should be an 8B4967 o-ring on the ferrule there. It may look like a shaped packing, but that appearance is because the o-ring has lost it's resilience and retains the shape of the space it is compressed into after you tighten the fasteners.

Not an easy job, but relatively simple.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Fri, Feb 7, 2014 9:15 PM
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There are "tell tale" drains on the injector pump housing and the transfer pump which should drip any leakage from those areas out the drain lines at the right rear corner of the block as it sits in the grader. If these lines are not crushed or blocked, the most likely culprit is the o-ring between the injection pump housing and the fuel filter tower. I no longer have a 212 book, but should be an 8B4967 o-ring on the ferrule there. It may look like a shaped packing, but that appearance is because the o-ring has lost it's resilience and retains the shape of the space it is compressed into after you tighten the fasteners.

Not an easy job, but relatively simple.
Thanks CC...I appreciate it...I've got a parts grader that I may take a look at...Meanwhile, I'll have to study the manuals very closely...And, work on it...when the weather warms up...
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Sat, Feb 8, 2014 4:05 AM
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Thanks CC...I appreciate it...I've got a parts grader that I may take a look at...Meanwhile, I'll have to study the manuals very closely...And, work on it...when the weather warms up...
Respy, CarlsCat
Fuel tank valves would not operate...Had to siphon all the diesel out of the tank...about 19 gals....Had a difficult time getting the fuel line off the supply valve...Drain valve stuck...Removed with with some "gorilla power"...Top of the valve and tube on tank plugged with residue...(crap)...Used a stick to help clear out the tube...Remainder of fuel flowed out easily (maybe a Vienna Sausage can full)...Got the supply valve off with more "gorilla power"...Found that the supply valve was partially open and drain valve closed...Replaced both valves with new ball valves...Removed the fuel transfer pump...found the red dyed diesel fuel in the cavity...So, there's the source of the leaking fuel into the engine oil...
Now, CC, my parts catalog shows a 7B305 seal and 4B9121 ferrule...Not an 8B4967 O-ring between the pump and the fuel tower...
Anyway, I'll be calling my friends at Hot CAT in San Antonio,...for some gaskets...Might be the parts numbers have changed...
I did manage to get the metal fuel line removed with some effort...I've gone to my Auto Parts store and had a new fuel line made up out of hose...The old metal fuel line had been patched in several places...Glad to get rid of it...
So, there you have it...Now to clean up the fuel transfer pump...
Respy, CarlsCat...
Oh yes...this is CAT 212 9T4057...
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Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:21 AM
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Do you mean you removed the fuel injection pump housing from the filter tower?

The transfer pump is another kettle of fish if you get into repacking that one, but like I mentioned, you should see fuel dripping from the drain line as the it leaks past the first shaft packing next to the pump and drains away before it can leak through the second packing next to the drive gear and into the oil pan.

The number in my D25j parts book was 8B4967. Also found in my D69u parts book. Looks to be pretty standard for that usage, but see what Holt CAT comes up with. If a part number has been updated, the packing slip will usually show the old part number on one line and 0 picked and 0 shipped followed by the new number on a second line with the quantity picked and shipped. Or at least that is the way the most recent packing slips I got from our local dealership are. On the really old part numbers, the guy keying them in has to know how to add zeros in the correct places to make the computer take the number.

Good luck!
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:01 AM
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Do you mean you removed the fuel injection pump housing from the filter tower?

The transfer pump is another kettle of fish if you get into repacking that one, but like I mentioned, you should see fuel dripping from the drain line as the it leaks past the first shaft packing next to the pump and drains away before it can leak through the second packing next to the drive gear and into the oil pan.

The number in my D25j parts book was 8B4967. Also found in my D69u parts book. Looks to be pretty standard for that usage, but see what Holt CAT comes up with. If a part number has been updated, the packing slip will usually show the old part number on one line and 0 picked and 0 shipped followed by the new number on a second line with the quantity picked and shipped. Or at least that is the way the most recent packing slips I got from our local dealership are. On the really old part numbers, the guy keying them in has to know how to add zeros in the correct places to make the computer take the number.

Good luck!
Yessir, I did remove the fuel transfer pump from the filter housing...and put it in a bucket...
There was no fuel leaking from the drain pipe...
My CAT 212 Parts Book shows this pump to be 5F6606...
Will have to see what CAT has to say...
Or, just might pull the transfer pump off my parts grader...
Welllllllll, ain't this fun...
At least I got the road graded...before the weather set in...again...
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Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:23 AM
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