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I had always assumed that for the Diesel tractors (late 1930s and 1940s at least) there were just two types of diesel fuel filler cap (The large cast aluminium ones saying "Buy clean fuel keep it clean" - something I remember from my very first exposure to Cats), a small diameter one (4B5441) e.g. as fitted to Seat tank D2s, and a large diameter one (4B1455) e.g. as fitted to fender tank versions of D2/D4 and to D7.

I have now discovered other filler caps:
4B5389 - large diameter similar to 4B1455 and
4B1451 - small diameter similar to 5B5441.
In my small selection of parts books I cannot fine reference to 4B5389 and 4B1451, does anyone know what machines they would have been supplied with, and if there are any more versions out there ?
It seems really strange to have so many types of fuel filler cap !.

Thanks in advance for shedding light on this.
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It appears that the numbers 4b5389, and 4b1451 are individual part numbers , with 4b5441, and 4b1455 being the numbers for the complete cap assembly. These two types are not the only styles cat made, and at times the caps were also produced in both iron or brass, depending on what was available.
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Reply to josh:
It appears that the numbers 4b5389, and 4b1451 are individual part numbers , with 4b5441, and 4b1455 being the numbers for the complete cap assembly. These two types are not the only styles cat made, and at times the caps were also produced in both iron or brass, depending on what was available.
I always understood the Iron caps were War time manufacture saving the aluminum for more important use.
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Sun, Sep 2, 2012 8:28 PM
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Reply to josh:
It appears that the numbers 4b5389, and 4b1451 are individual part numbers , with 4b5441, and 4b1455 being the numbers for the complete cap assembly. These two types are not the only styles cat made, and at times the caps were also produced in both iron or brass, depending on what was available.


Hi Josh,
Yes, you're right. The individual part numbers are for the 'housing' or body of the filler cap.
Strangely though they (the bodies of housings) are not listed as part of the assembly in my parts book. It was this that was confusing me.
I guess if the body was damaged, e.g. threads damaged by putting on cross threaded, you had to buy a complete new Filler cap assembly.
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Sun, Sep 2, 2012 8:35 PM
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Reply to drujinin:
I always understood the Iron caps were War time manufacture saving the aluminum for more important use.


Hi,
Each of my four wartime cats (1940/41) have the aluminium fuel caps, so presumably they changed to Iron after that, but of course, for the US, the war started later than 1940 after Pearl Harbour.

I don't think I've ever seen an iron fuel filler cap.
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Hi,
Each of my four wartime cats (1940/41) have the aluminium fuel caps, so presumably they changed to Iron after that, but of course, for the US, the war started later than 1940 after Pearl Harbour.

I don't think I've ever seen an iron fuel filler cap.
My 1954 D2 seat tank has the large aluminium fuel cap.

Kevin
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Mon, Sep 3, 2012 1:03 AM
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Reply to n7gxz:
My 1954 D2 seat tank has the large aluminium fuel cap.

Kevin
Actually I "think" my 1944 D2 has an iron cap.
I'll look next week as it is over to a friends farm.
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Mon, Sep 3, 2012 9:54 AM
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Reply to drujinin:
Actually I "think" my 1944 D2 has an iron cap.
I'll look next week as it is over to a friends farm.
[quote="drujinin"]Actually I "think" my 1944 D2 has an iron cap.
I'll look next week as it is over to a friends farm.[/quote]
Just out of curiosity, could you make a note of the part number of the iron filler cap, I wonder if it will be the same as the aluminium ones.
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Reply to gauntjoh:
[quote="drujinin"]Actually I "think" my 1944 D2 has an iron cap.
I'll look next week as it is over to a friends farm.[/quote]
Just out of curiosity, could you make a note of the part number of the iron filler cap, I wonder if it will be the same as the aluminium ones.
I have one iron cap, 4A60. it is one of the tall style caps
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Reply to STEPHEN:
I have one iron cap, 4A60. it is one of the tall style caps
The two 4B caps mentioned were both introduced in 1937. The cast iron 4A60 cap was released in 1942. It was phased out in 1944, with 4B1451 to be used instead. It looks like the material properties for the 4B caps were changed over the years, but without doing some more digging, I can't tell what those changes were.

Dave
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Reply to dtallon:
The two 4B caps mentioned were both introduced in 1937. The cast iron 4A60 cap was released in 1942. It was phased out in 1944, with 4B1451 to be used instead. It looks like the material properties for the 4B caps were changed over the years, but without doing some more digging, I can't tell what those changes were.

Dave
My D2-5J ser#6XXX has a fender tank with an iron cap, part# 4A60, according to the Archives it should be a 1944 tractor.
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