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Want to check the fuel pump lifter settings on a D4400 (D4 5T) because off some power shortage.
Its running good but when it has to pull it wil go down really easy.

Things i did before to see if it get some power back with no result.

Cleaning and changing the fuel filter.
Cleaning the fuel line and tank. (it was clogged half way)
Fuel transfer pump is ok.
Rack is moving freely (will check the travel with the 3H1690 to recommend specs in my fuel injection pump housings book
Have the injection pumps out and they are not worn and don't have the wear marks on top of the plunger, only have to check the length 2.6575-2.6577


I have ordered my depth micro gauge to check the lifter setting. and adjust them if needed.

Questions:

Does some have a scan of how to do it on a D4400. i have them for the d311 and d315 and would properly not very different but you never know.

What is the best way to remove and instal the injection pumps, read some people use a little mirror to line the copper dot to the mark on the rack?

Can i remove the rack if the fuel pump is attached to the filter housing on the machine to have better access to the fuel pump lifters?

Lifters should be set at 1.736 on tc with 1-3-4-2 order if i am correct?

am i missing something?

Thanks Niels.
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Mon, Apr 8, 2019 1:23 AM
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Can't remove rack and do any good. Just have to work around it.

The trick is to make sure the lifter you are working on is rising as you come up to the TDC Mark for that cylinder pair. That cylinder will be on compression stroke and you can turn engine in normal direction up to stop exactly on the mark. This takes out the effect of any gear wear between crankshaft and accessory shaft/injection pump drive. The other cylinder listed on that flywheel mark will not have its corresponding pump lifter rising as you come up to the mark.

When you have finished setting the lifter to spec, turn the engine a little past tdc and recheck your depth. The plunger should still be rising a little, ensuring you have set the right lifter for that TDC stop.
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Mon, Apr 8, 2019 8:57 AM
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Reply to ccjersey:
Can't remove rack and do any good. Just have to work around it.

The trick is to make sure the lifter you are working on is rising as you come up to the TDC Mark for that cylinder pair. That cylinder will be on compression stroke and you can turn engine in normal direction up to stop exactly on the mark. This takes out the effect of any gear wear between crankshaft and accessory shaft/injection pump drive. The other cylinder listed on that flywheel mark will not have its corresponding pump lifter rising as you come up to the mark.

When you have finished setting the lifter to spec, turn the engine a little past tdc and recheck your depth. The plunger should still be rising a little, ensuring you have set the right lifter for that TDC stop.
Hi Niels,
the rack can be removed by taking out the bolt holding the coupling link (fork 2A3311) to the round rack rod and the square rack slide bar.
Next remove the bolts holding the square rack slide bar retaining plates (2A3327) and the square rack slide bar can be removed.

All the injection pumps can be installed before the square rack slide bar--to refit the bar, refit the Injection Pumps, then ensure the timing lines on the Inj. Pump plunger gears are facing out and central--fit the bar ensuring all the timing marks are aligned--or the bar can be fitted and then the plungers and then the pump bodies to their respective plungers. I usually did the Inj. Pumps fitting first then the bar last--choice is yours.

Before trying to adjust the lifters be VERY sure that the Flywheel is fitted to the correct position on the crankshaft--these older engines do not have a offset flywheel bolt, and it is well known for the flywheel to be fitted in the wrong position--this means that the Top Dead Center (TDC) marks do not line up correctly to the pointer in the flywheel housing window when each cylinder is at its true TDC.

Check this by removing the valve cover and observing if, say No 4 cyl. has its valves rocking (tight) then No 1 cyl. should be at TDC Compression Stroke (valves loose) and the Injection pump plunger is rising for the lifter set position.
I have seen several/worked on engines with incorrectly orientated (fitted) flywheels when at The Dealer and since.
If you find it is out then you will need to make new marks to go by.

When turning the engine to the TDC position for timing checking/adjustment, always turn the engine to the TDC mark in the Direction of Rotation only--if you go past the TDC mark then turn the engine backwards some 60 degrees and come back up to the TDC position again--this takes up any slack or wear out of the Injection Pump drive system that may cause an error in your adjusting measurements.

By my Caterpillar Fuel Injection Pump Housings Book (Form No 7272D) the lifter setting On Engine at TDC is given as 1.734" +/- 0.002" for engines with Inj. Pump camshaft part numbers :- 2A5559, 7B5584, 3F1669--the P/No is forged into the body of the actual camshaft itself --cannot recall if the outer plate has the camshaft P/No given-- inside the Inj. Pump--remove bottom Inj. Pump cover and turn engine until the P/No is visible to confirm it.
The lifter setting is different for any other P/No Camshafts. You will need to inform me if it is a different P/No so I can give these lifter dimensions--D4 should be what I gave you above.

I usually set the lifter setting so the lifter is higher--least measurement--ie. 1.732"--or close to--as this may allow for wear on the Inj. Pump Plunger end and in the Inj. Pump drive system, and so keep the timing correct or slightly advanced for better starting and running.

Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Mon, Apr 8, 2019 11:08 AM
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Hi Niels,
the rack can be removed by taking out the bolt holding the coupling link (fork 2A3311) to the round rack rod and the square rack slide bar.
Next remove the bolts holding the square rack slide bar retaining plates (2A3327) and the square rack slide bar can be removed.

All the injection pumps can be installed before the square rack slide bar--to refit the bar, refit the Injection Pumps, then ensure the timing lines on the Inj. Pump plunger gears are facing out and central--fit the bar ensuring all the timing marks are aligned--or the bar can be fitted and then the plungers and then the pump bodies to their respective plungers. I usually did the Inj. Pumps fitting first then the bar last--choice is yours.

Before trying to adjust the lifters be VERY sure that the Flywheel is fitted to the correct position on the crankshaft--these older engines do not have a offset flywheel bolt, and it is well known for the flywheel to be fitted in the wrong position--this means that the Top Dead Center (TDC) marks do not line up correctly to the pointer in the flywheel housing window when each cylinder is at its true TDC.

Check this by removing the valve cover and observing if, say No 4 cyl. has its valves rocking (tight) then No 1 cyl. should be at TDC Compression Stroke (valves loose) and the Injection pump plunger is rising for the lifter set position.
I have seen several/worked on engines with incorrectly orientated (fitted) flywheels when at The Dealer and since.
If you find it is out then you will need to make new marks to go by.

When turning the engine to the TDC position for timing checking/adjustment, always turn the engine to the TDC mark in the Direction of Rotation only--if you go past the TDC mark then turn the engine backwards some 60 degrees and come back up to the TDC position again--this takes up any slack or wear out of the Injection Pump drive system that may cause an error in your adjusting measurements.

By my Caterpillar Fuel Injection Pump Housings Book (Form No 7272D) the lifter setting On Engine at TDC is given as 1.734" +/- 0.002" for engines with Inj. Pump camshaft part numbers :- 2A5559, 7B5584, 3F1669--the P/No is forged into the body of the actual camshaft itself --cannot recall if the outer plate has the camshaft P/No given-- inside the Inj. Pump--remove bottom Inj. Pump cover and turn engine until the P/No is visible to confirm it.
The lifter setting is different for any other P/No Camshafts. You will need to inform me if it is a different P/No so I can give these lifter dimensions--D4 should be what I gave you above.

I usually set the lifter setting so the lifter is higher--least measurement--ie. 1.732"--or close to--as this may allow for wear on the Inj. Pump Plunger end and in the Inj. Pump drive system, and so keep the timing correct or slightly advanced for better starting and running.

Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
CCjercy and edb,

Thanks for your reply!
I did remove the rack, so have a lot more space now to adjust and place the plungers back in the correct way.

Did check for the number on the camshaft and it reads 3F1669, no number on the housing!

Next thing to check is if the flywheel is mounted correctly, so if that's ok I can start adjusting the lifters.

Thanks Niels

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Mon, Apr 8, 2019 9:31 PM
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CCjercy and edb,

Thanks for your reply!
I did remove the rack, so have a lot more space now to adjust and place the plungers back in the correct way.

Did check for the number on the camshaft and it reads 3F1669, no number on the housing!

Next thing to check is if the flywheel is mounted correctly, so if that's ok I can start adjusting the lifters.

Thanks Niels

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Hi Niels,
thanks for the pictures and feed back of your nice tidy looking machine.
Love the working lights and the staggered grouser shoe look.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Tue, Apr 9, 2019 9:24 AM
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Hi Niels,
thanks for the pictures and feed back of your nice tidy looking machine.
Love the working lights and the staggered grouser shoe look.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
[attachment=53399]PHOTO-2019-04-09-12-58-08.jpg[/attachment]He EdB,

On the picture you see the result off checking the setting on lifter no 1.
After checking TC was right, I first was 360 degree fault.
This means that the fuel is entering the precombustion chaimber to late not?


They cut the grousers because in the heavy clay it was floating to much by plowing...!
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Tue, Apr 9, 2019 6:17 PM
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[attachment=53399]PHOTO-2019-04-09-12-58-08.jpg[/attachment]He EdB,

On the picture you see the result off checking the setting on lifter no 1.
After checking TC was right, I first was 360 degree fault.
This means that the fuel is entering the precombustion chaimber to late not?


They cut the grousers because in the heavy clay it was floating to much by plowing...!
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[quote="nielske"]He EdB,

On the picture you see the result off checking the setting on lifter no 1.
After checking TC was right, I first was 360 degree fault.
This means that the fuel is entering the precombustion chaimber to late not?


They cut the grousers because in the heavy clay it was floating to much by plowing...![/quote]

What you need are the 20" pads with the tapered trousers, that way you are less likely to snag something than with the offset edges you have
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Tue, Apr 9, 2019 10:05 PM
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That tractor would have been quite a "swamper" with those pads all full width! Once had two D69U parts tractors here with wide pads and towing winches. They were from a logging operation. I am sorry they aren't still around.

Yes. The high number means late injection of fuel into the chamber.

Do you have any pictures of the rack and pumps in that tractor? I am used to the later models and didn't realize the rack could come out that easily.
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Tue, Apr 9, 2019 11:45 PM
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That tractor would have been quite a "swamper" with those pads all full width! Once had two D69U parts tractors here with wide pads and towing winches. They were from a logging operation. I am sorry they aren't still around.

Yes. The high number means late injection of fuel into the chamber.

Do you have any pictures of the rack and pumps in that tractor? I am used to the later models and didn't realize the rack could come out that easily.
Did check all the 4 lifters, and they measure 1.762/1.766. (Should be 1.734)
If I think logical, they were set correctly but by the hours this is the result of wear on the timing gears.

Now I am thinking to set them to 1.733 to deal with the little wear on the plungers.
To take the 0.03 out I have to turn the lifters about 1 1/4 turn.

This tractor was original used in the area they call the IJsselmeer polders. It was land that they reclaimed from the sea in the years after ww2. The government bought around 25 of these tractors to do the first plowing and seeding after the land came above water.

After working for the government it was sold to a farmer, and he used it for plowing on heavy clay and cut the plates off.

Whe have a project waiting for a 4G d4 with really nice 20” plates were you still can read Caterpillar in the plates, but later More on that!

Will make you some pictures ccjersy and post them tomorrow!
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[quote="nielske"]He EdB,

On the picture you see the result off checking the setting on lifter no 1.
After checking TC was right, I first was 360 degree fault.
This means that the fuel is entering the precombustion chaimber to late not?


They cut the grousers because in the heavy clay it was floating to much by plowing...![/quote]

What you need are the 20" pads with the tapered trousers, that way you are less likely to snag something than with the offset edges you have


Here is a 20" tapered from a 5U
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Wed, Apr 10, 2019 5:10 AM
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Here is a 20" tapered from a 5U
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Hi Niels,
wow, that is a long way to be out--or I guess, more to the point, is more than any I ever recall doing at The Dealer--when you come to refit the Injection Pump Assemblies on the Inj. Pump, just fit one Pump, with no seals, and leave the clamps off and the bolts out--hold pump down by hand--turn the engine in direction of rotation until the lifter is at the Top of its stroke to be double sure you do not ruin the Inj pump if the pump plunger hits the top of the bore in the Inj. Pump body if something is wrong with the measuring or if the engine is set in the position for TDC.

Have heard of Injection pumps being ruined by wrong flywheel location and/or incorrect cylinder lifter being adjusted when at the bottom of its stroke and not when rising.
If all is well you can fit the Inj Pumps.

At a Standard Lifter Setting of 1.734 +/- 0.002" the Injection Timing should be 25 Degrees Before Top Dead Center.


Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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