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G'Day Gents,

The below link, is to a scanned 1954 newspaper advert by the Caterpillar agent here in Perth Western Australia. Back when it was an agency that is. 😊

It's certainly an innovative way of controlling a tractor..... :der:

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/39368676


Have a great day gents.


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Phill.
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Tue, Dec 16, 2014 8:18 AM
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lol that was before radio control
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Tue, Dec 16, 2014 9:05 AM
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Reply to Rome K/G:
lol that was before radio control
That was "wired control"!

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Tue, Dec 16, 2014 9:22 AM
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Reply to daron:
That was "wired control"!

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I was thinking that it qualified as "remote controlled".

It adds a new dimension to "reining in" ....... :faint2:


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Phill.
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Tue, Dec 16, 2014 9:38 AM
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Reply to daron:
That was "wired control"!

Daron
Phill, that's an excellent find and a great article. Using reins to control the old Cats was common in the old days.
It was not uncommon to find early tractors with reins to try and assist old horse men to make the transition to them new-fangled tractor things!

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/153686405

I can recall the Shire Council foreman at Kulin, telling me stories of how he drove the "Roads Board" (as they were was known, before Shire Councils) Cat Twenty Two, pulling a towed grader, using reins.

He said you had to be on the ball. He'd crank the Twenty Two up, put her in gear, engage the clutch and jump off, and wait for the grader to travel past him.
Then he'd climb on the grader and pull on the throttle and steer the tractor, at the same time as setting the grader controls! He must have been busier than a one-armed wallpaper hanger in a strong wind!

Reg told me the interesting part happened when he hit a stump buried in the road, and the grader would suddenly propel itself sideways! This generally resulted in him being thrown off the grader!
So then he had to run and catch up with the whole rig before it got completely away from him! I hate to think what OH&S would say about this style of operation today!

If you search through the Western Mail newspaper on Trove, you'll actually find several farmers writing in and explaining with diagrams, how they set up their "remote controls"!

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/38561195

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/37950158

Cheers, Ron.
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Tue, Dec 16, 2014 9:58 AM
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Phill, that's an excellent find and a great article. Using reins to control the old Cats was common in the old days.
It was not uncommon to find early tractors with reins to try and assist old horse men to make the transition to them new-fangled tractor things!

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/153686405

I can recall the Shire Council foreman at Kulin, telling me stories of how he drove the "Roads Board" (as they were was known, before Shire Councils) Cat Twenty Two, pulling a towed grader, using reins.

He said you had to be on the ball. He'd crank the Twenty Two up, put her in gear, engage the clutch and jump off, and wait for the grader to travel past him.
Then he'd climb on the grader and pull on the throttle and steer the tractor, at the same time as setting the grader controls! He must have been busier than a one-armed wallpaper hanger in a strong wind!

Reg told me the interesting part happened when he hit a stump buried in the road, and the grader would suddenly propel itself sideways! This generally resulted in him being thrown off the grader!
So then he had to run and catch up with the whole rig before it got completely away from him! I hate to think what OH&S would say about this style of operation today!

If you search through the Western Mail newspaper on Trove, you'll actually find several farmers writing in and explaining with diagrams, how they set up their "remote controls"!

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/38561195

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/37950158

Cheers, Ron.
Thanks Ron,

I would never of thought that it was so common. These days the OHS people would have fits if they saw this being done by an employee. Though, funny thing is, you can do it with your "own" equipment on your own farm. If you get hurt, then that's your problem. But if someone else does, then a broom handle and barbed wire (no lube) are only the start of the trouble you'd be in. 😊

That's something I like about some of the old equipment. The innovation shown to modify it, in the pursuit of making it more usable in the mind of the user. Somethings resulted in great ideas (concrete trucks for example), but others resulted in stagnation or a real step backwards...

I thought the grader story was great. Lets face it. How do you operate 2 different pieces of machinery at the same time? It's probably the reason that graders as we know them, now, were developed. 😊

I came across that article quite by accident, while looking for an hour meter for my RD4. When I realised what the site was, I was quite amazed. I will look other stuff up on there also.

Did you get my email the other week?


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Phill.
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Tue, Dec 16, 2014 12:32 PM
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Thanks Ron,

I would never of thought that it was so common. These days the OHS people would have fits if they saw this being done by an employee. Though, funny thing is, you can do it with your "own" equipment on your own farm. If you get hurt, then that's your problem. But if someone else does, then a broom handle and barbed wire (no lube) are only the start of the trouble you'd be in. 😊

That's something I like about some of the old equipment. The innovation shown to modify it, in the pursuit of making it more usable in the mind of the user. Somethings resulted in great ideas (concrete trucks for example), but others resulted in stagnation or a real step backwards...

I thought the grader story was great. Lets face it. How do you operate 2 different pieces of machinery at the same time? It's probably the reason that graders as we know them, now, were developed. 😊

I came across that article quite by accident, while looking for an hour meter for my RD4. When I realised what the site was, I was quite amazed. I will look other stuff up on there also.

Did you get my email the other week?


Cheers,

Phill.
G'day Phill - Yes, I got your email O.K.. I'll probably try to drop in sometime, it looks like I need to go to Northam a few times in the next couple of months.

Cheers, Ron.
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Tue, Dec 16, 2014 1:11 PM
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G'day Phill - Yes, I got your email O.K.. I'll probably try to drop in sometime, it looks like I need to go to Northam a few times in the next couple of months.

Cheers, Ron.
Im pretty sure when you go to start off with a reined tractor wheeled or tracked if its wheel pull the rain back for the clutch then engage gear hop on your header let the clutch out and away you go if it was tracked pull both reins back for the steering clutches then go and disengage main clutch put it in gear then re engage clutch then hop on your header and release both steering clutches
hope that all makes sense have never heard of anyone jumping on board as it passes

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Tue, Dec 16, 2014 5:18 PM
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Reply to mrsmackpaul:
Im pretty sure when you go to start off with a reined tractor wheeled or tracked if its wheel pull the rain back for the clutch then engage gear hop on your header let the clutch out and away you go if it was tracked pull both reins back for the steering clutches then go and disengage main clutch put it in gear then re engage clutch then hop on your header and release both steering clutches
hope that all makes sense have never heard of anyone jumping on board as it passes

Paul
Paul, that makes sense. It's quite likely, that Reg as the young bloke, wasn't told the correct takeoff procedure, and had to figure it out on his own.

We used to move our crawler tractors across large paddocks by themselves when we had to shift vehicles as well, when we were working on our own.
We'd set the throttle on about 2/3rds setting and select a transport gear, about 4 or 5mph, and aim the tractor at the far corner of the paddock, then jump off!
Then we'd drive a ute up to the far corner, leave it and walk back, and meet the tractor ambling towards us!

The interesting part of course, was climbing back on again! You made sure you climbed on from the rear, you didn't want to get caught up in a whirring track!

Things got interesting occasionally, when the tractor found a hidden sizeable stump in the paddock!
She'd climb the stump (usually about 9-10" high) with one track, and then, coming down off the stump, she'd change direction!! Usually at an angle that headed the tractor straight for the nearest fence!!
If you were halfway between your ute and the tractor when this happened, you'd have to put on a pretty good imitation of an Olympic sprinter and get back on fast, to readjust the direction she was now heading, back to the correct one!!
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G'Day Pete,

I didn't see it. 😞
I have since replied with the below post. I reprinted it here, because of the part number change at that happened with 4G772 onwards. I am looking forwards to your reply. But also, perhaps the others may have some more info on the compatability of the 2 different part numbers.


G'Day Pete,

According to the good book (original parts catalog for RD4) the part numbers changed at 4G772, from 2A5325 to 2A5585. That number continued through the early D4's. I dunno about the later ones as my D4 book was published in 1940. 😊 But I assume it stayed the samme through out the 4400 engine series.

Based on that, I would have to hope it will work OK. I suspect it is the earlier version. I have absolutely no idea as to the differences.

What do you reckon? If you think it's worth giving it a go, then I will give it a go. If it doesn't keep time, 😊 I will happily post it back to you. The reset to zero, and hopefully a service (oil up) would be great.

I suppose the next question is, how much? 😊


Cheers,

Phill.
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Tue, Dec 16, 2014 9:19 PM
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Hey Pete! - You didn't happen to previously run a business known locally as "Honest Johns Used Autos", did you?? 😄
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Tue, Dec 16, 2014 9:33 PM
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