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DW series tractors ag use?

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Were any of the DW series wheel tractors (10, 15,20) outfitted for agricultural use? I have seen pictures of them with scraper bowls, dump trailers, and goosenecks etc. but was curious if they were ever offered with a standard tractor drawbar for pulling implements. It seems like they would make a decent ag tractor especially for wheatland use. I would like to see one pull a trailer type on land plow, or a big chisel plow, I bet they would be a beast! Regards Bill
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Sun, Nov 15, 2015 8:38 AM
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I was told of them being used in the Tulare Lake region of the San Joaquin valley in the 50's. The ranches had them to do land leveling and canal making building and cleaning. One year they needed to work grain stubble down before land leveling and to speed the job up put several DW10's on large discs they already had. The fellow telling me worked as a foreman and mechanic,and his complaint was the drives would not stay in low gear and the disc bearings of the day didn't like the speed. So after one season they decided it was not that good of a idea.
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Sun, Nov 15, 2015 9:59 AM
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I was told of them being used in the Tulare Lake region of the San Joaquin valley in the 50's. The ranches had them to do land leveling and canal making building and cleaning. One year they needed to work grain stubble down before land leveling and to speed the job up put several DW10's on large discs they already had. The fellow telling me worked as a foreman and mechanic,and his complaint was the drives would not stay in low gear and the disc bearings of the day didn't like the speed. So after one season they decided it was not that good of a idea.
Hi, Steamdrum1.
As Ray54 mentioned, gearing would have been the issue - not enough gears lowdown in the normal AG working range. These jiggers were made to get up and RUN once they were loaded, a vastly different scenario from trundling around a field with a cultivating implement in tow. These tractors were more in the nature of a highway truck than an AG tractor, including the fact that they were designed to have at least some of the weight of the towed unit resting on the rear of the tractor for traction.

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Sun, Nov 15, 2015 10:16 AM
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Hi, Steamdrum1.
As Ray54 mentioned, gearing would have been the issue - not enough gears lowdown in the normal AG working range. These jiggers were made to get up and RUN once they were loaded, a vastly different scenario from trundling around a field with a cultivating implement in tow. These tractors were more in the nature of a highway truck than an AG tractor, including the fact that they were designed to have at least some of the weight of the towed unit resting on the rear of the tractor for traction.

Just my 0.02.
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My best mate Gwyn here in Australia used his DW10 to pull discs and a scrub clearing chain.
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Mon, Nov 16, 2015 2:35 AM
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My best mate Gwyn here in Australia used his DW10 to pull discs and a scrub clearing chain.
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Thanks for the info and pictures everyone. I think I understand what your saying. Run in low gear when your in the cut, once loaded shift up through the gears and hammer down to the unloading site then back to the cut. The lack of suitable intermediate gears would make them un-handy to use as a farm tractor. It would be cool to pull into the local antique tractor plow day with a DW20 and a 6 bottom on land plow though! Thanks again Bill
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Mon, Nov 16, 2015 9:02 AM
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Thanks for the info and pictures everyone. I think I understand what your saying. Run in low gear when your in the cut, once loaded shift up through the gears and hammer down to the unloading site then back to the cut. The lack of suitable intermediate gears would make them un-handy to use as a farm tractor. It would be cool to pull into the local antique tractor plow day with a DW20 and a 6 bottom on land plow though! Thanks again Bill
Hi, Steamdrum1.
Yepppp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It sure would be interesting to watch the looks on the 'knowing' faces, especially if you had some fairly serious weight over the drive to compensate for the lack of a scraper or a rock buggy sitting there.

I haven't operated a DW10 or DW15 but the DW20 that I operated at Santa Margarita earlier this year had some fairly serious grunt and managed to put most of it to the ground too when pulling a scraper.

Just my 0.02.
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Mon, Nov 16, 2015 10:05 AM
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Hi, Steamdrum1.
Yepppp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It sure would be interesting to watch the looks on the 'knowing' faces, especially if you had some fairly serious weight over the drive to compensate for the lack of a scraper or a rock buggy sitting there.

I haven't operated a DW10 or DW15 but the DW20 that I operated at Santa Margarita earlier this year had some fairly serious grunt and managed to put most of it to the ground too when pulling a scraper.

Just my 0.02.
Given the production time line of the DW tractors few farmers would have had any interest in them. Farm labor was cheap and often all in the family. Plus the big tractors of the day were not even breaking 80 PTO HP. So there were no implements and anything would have had to be fabricated. Most implements were mechanical ground lift too. So hooking enough plows up together along with some means of raising and lowering the plow would have been beyond the means of most famers. 4X4 tractors didn't start making it onto farms until the early 60's. Heck in the early 70's I knew guys farming close to 1000 acres who said that "anyone with a tractor over 100HP is just showing off". Now as hydraulics were added with remote hook ups then you may have had a guy or 2 who went that route to save a few bucks is they could find one cheap enough. Basically the time line on farm tractors was remote hydraulic hook ups started to be seen around 1948 but were not common until the mid 50's. The late 40's saw tractors in the 40-50 HP range. 60HP and larger didn't really get started till in the very late 50's with the IH 560, JD 4000 and AC D 19. AC built the first wheeled farm tractor with a turbo in 59. 4X4 tractors didn't start production, mostly hand built until the very late 50's too. In the early 70's a university study showed that a guy with 3 60-70 HP tractors and 2 hired hands plus himself could plow more ground cheaper than one man with a new 4X4 tractor per day and use less fuel per acre too. They tested 3 560D Farmalls against the biggest 4X4 offered by JD at the time of the test. Gotta remember that a farmer didn't have to pay minimum wage back then. Also the 560D was noted for fuel economy so the testing wasn't exactly fair.

Interestingly IH made a crawler that they marketed aimed at farmers in the early 60's the TD340. It was available as just a tractor, dozer or loader. Other options included a PTO and a CAT 1 3 point hitch. It was rated at 33HP at the drawbar. Started production in 1959 and was finished in 65. Made less than 30,000 units. They (IH) produced a diesel tractor in 1941 and JD offered it's first diesel in 48.

I really love telling the brand lovers of farm tractors that no, the first production diesel tractor wasn't the MD IH Farmall. It was CAT! Then I point that CAT sold that tractor as a farm tractor too. CAT beat AC to the punch on a turbo tractor too. What's really funny is the IH guys. They hate JD. Now that JD is coming out with a 4 tracked articulated tractor they are claiming that JD stole the idea from the CaseIH Quad Track. Man the IH guys get mad at me when I point out that CAT experimented with a Quad Track articulated design in the early 60's and therefore CaseIH stole that idea from CAT! OH and Yea, Cat beat em to the punch with a power shift tranny too!

Rick
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Mon, Nov 16, 2015 2:13 PM
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Thanks for the info and pictures everyone. I think I understand what your saying. Run in low gear when your in the cut, once loaded shift up through the gears and hammer down to the unloading site then back to the cut. The lack of suitable intermediate gears would make them un-handy to use as a farm tractor. It would be cool to pull into the local antique tractor plow day with a DW20 and a 6 bottom on land plow though! Thanks again Bill


We had a local road contractor in this area that a number of years ago that attached a large on land plow behind a counter weighted DW-20 scraper tractor. He was always trying new uses for old equipment. It ended up as a parade tractor for the most part. His farm was in sand country and he always joked that when he tried to plow with it the neighbors got upset. He said that 1st gear was to slow and 2nd gear threw the sand so far that his neighbors ended up with it in their yard.
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Mon, Nov 16, 2015 9:00 PM
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We had a local road contractor in this area that a number of years ago that attached a large on land plow behind a counter weighted DW-20 scraper tractor. He was always trying new uses for old equipment. It ended up as a parade tractor for the most part. His farm was in sand country and he always joked that when he tried to plow with it the neighbors got upset. He said that 1st gear was to slow and 2nd gear threw the sand so far that his neighbors ended up with it in their yard.
Tulare lake region of the San Joaquin Valley is the home of the BTO Farm.If you didn't farm 10,000 acres in the 1950's you where a nobody. Home of JG Boswell Company and many more.They farmed with the biggest tractors they could get. Could well have been the biggest concentrations of Cat 60's in there time.

The Salyer family was know for modifying or building machinery to suit there needs.But amazingly kept a lot of old machines in service for a very long time.I believe just several years ago Garlic Pete got into one of they bone yards and came home with a number of RD 6's and 7's.

So just saying there were people with the ability to try new things and had the wish for bigger equipment than they could buy,not afraid to design there own. But they decided there were better options at the time,but fully giving it a chance to prove itself.
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Mon, Nov 16, 2015 9:43 PM
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Tulare lake region of the San Joaquin Valley is the home of the BTO Farm.If you didn't farm 10,000 acres in the 1950's you where a nobody. Home of JG Boswell Company and many more.They farmed with the biggest tractors they could get. Could well have been the biggest concentrations of Cat 60's in there time.

The Salyer family was know for modifying or building machinery to suit there needs.But amazingly kept a lot of old machines in service for a very long time.I believe just several years ago Garlic Pete got into one of they bone yards and came home with a number of RD 6's and 7's.

So just saying there were people with the ability to try new things and had the wish for bigger equipment than they could buy,not afraid to design there own. But they decided there were better options at the time,but fully giving it a chance to prove itself.
oldtanker, I loved the essay on tractors of that period. The 50's and early 60's I remember well and cherish the experience of that time.

I especially understand the "brand lovers" discussion. In our area there were only tracklaying tractors because of the hills. The loyalty to one brand or another was related to the local dealer who was understanding during the depression.

In one locality close to my home there were nothing but IH, predominantly TD 35's and 40's. In another locality it was CAT with 3cyl and later some 4R's but as time went on it was almost solid 9U's while the IH camp migrated to TD14's.

AC was few and far between, however my family had a 1939 WK which I surely wish I had now. It got lost in the 70's during the time I did not take an interest in such things.
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