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Dford
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Hi there

I came across a dw21 that could be for sale I just have a few questions if any one cauld help

Serial No 86f2250
Series D

How old and how many where made?

It has no starter motor or pilot motor is this how they came out or where they options?

How many HP?

And the main one how much is it worth? It's all complete was going when parked but all four tyres are bugged
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Sun, Jan 26, 2014 2:59 PM
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Check that s/n again. I believe the "F" is actually an "E" which would make for a combination of an 85E tractor and a model 470 s/n 86E scraper. The series "D" is a 1958 combination (320 hp) only although the 470 was used withe the "G" combination up to 1960. I don't show any "F" model unless that may be something unique to Australia. "G" combination is 345 hp.

Starting would be gasoline pony engine, available with electric start.
Not sure if direct electric start was offered as an option but no reason they could not be converted.
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Sun, Jan 26, 2014 11:45 PM
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The CAT engine specs book I have lists a pony motor for an 86E DW21.....................

The pony start and the direct electric start machines of that era had different serial number prefixes. For example, 85E and 86E are both DW21's, but the 85E is direct electric start and the 86E is pony motor start. An 87E would be a direct electric start DW20 and an 88E would be pony start. Graders were designated that way as well.

I have one of each DW20's the book has them correct, the 87E is a direct electric start version of a DW20 and the 88E is a pony motor start.

Both of the DW20's had a #456 scraper, one has been converted to a water tanker, but still has the 456 tag on the neck.

The engine in all 4 series is a 5-1/8 x 6-1/2 6 cylinder turbocharged and aftercooled diesel engine.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Mon, Jan 27, 2014 2:16 AM
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Reply to ccjersey:
The CAT engine specs book I have lists a pony motor for an 86E DW21.....................

The pony start and the direct electric start machines of that era had different serial number prefixes. For example, 85E and 86E are both DW21's, but the 85E is direct electric start and the 86E is pony motor start. An 87E would be a direct electric start DW20 and an 88E would be pony start. Graders were designated that way as well.

I have one of each DW20's the book has them correct, the 87E is a direct electric start version of a DW20 and the 88E is a pony motor start.

Both of the DW20's had a #456 scraper, one has been converted to a water tanker, but still has the 456 tag on the neck.

The engine in all 4 series is a 5-1/8 x 6-1/2 6 cylinder turbocharged and aftercooled diesel engine.
Thanks fellas that all makes sence

The serial number was hard to read so there is every chance it's an E

Cheers
Dan
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Mon, Jan 27, 2014 6:11 AM
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Reply to Dford:
Thanks fellas that all makes sence

The serial number was hard to read so there is every chance it's an E

Cheers
Dan
Wouldn,t be to many DW21,s left in Oz, be good to see some pics of her when you can. I have an old Caterpillar of Australia booklet and it has a pic of an almost new one in it working in Canberra owned by Phillips Construction i think it was, maybe her!
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Mon, Jan 27, 2014 4:25 PM
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Wouldn,t be to many DW21,s left in Oz, be good to see some pics of her when you can. I have an old Caterpillar of Australia booklet and it has a pic of an almost new one in it working in Canberra owned by Phillips Construction i think it was, maybe her!
here are a few pics dan sent me on the weekend of the machine in question, lets hope the owner will part with it for the right price or dan digs up another jam tin, would be great to see it going rather than cashed in for scrap
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Wed, Jan 29, 2014 8:03 AM
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here are a few pics dan sent me on the weekend of the machine in question, lets hope the owner will part with it for the right price or dan digs up another jam tin, would be great to see it going rather than cashed in for scrap
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Looks like at least three of the 4 tires will hold air. Hopefully the 4th will air up to. Can not tell if it is off the bead by the picture. These old DW 21s and the DW 20s hold a special spot in my heart. I have my mind set to get one in my stable some day. I hope you guys can score this one.
Best of luck in making a deal,
Roger

On a side note one of the things that I always notice on the 21s is the square cut 90 degree bend on the smoke stack. I often wonder how much more HP could be realized by having a mandrel bent 90 degree exhaust pipe to smooth out the exhaust gases flow. Anybody got any theories?
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Wed, Jan 29, 2014 10:26 AM
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