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hhydro
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I just tried to buy a couple of parts from the local Cat dealer only to find they had been discontinued.

1) Starting engine rain trap (D2 5U or D4 7U ) that looks like a little muffler. They just sell the flapper cap now. I like the look of the original, but it is rusted out on the D2.

2) Fuel injector bleed valve wrench (also D2 5U and D4 7U). This odd "L-shape" wrench has been replaced by a socket, but there is no way to put a drive on the socket since the bleed screw is behind the injector lines with very little clearance. There is a reason this wrench was made the way it was.

Are there any aftermarket sources for these old parts?

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Joe
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Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:43 AM
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If that socket is on a 1/4" drive, put a 3" long extension on it. Thats the way I set mine up. If your injection system is in good shape. The only time you would need to bleed it is if the fuel system is empty. (ran out of fuel, changed filters)
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Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:14 PM
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If that socket is on a 1/4" drive, put a 3" long extension on it. Thats the way I set mine up. If your injection system is in good shape. The only time you would need to bleed it is if the fuel system is empty. (ran out of fuel, changed filters)
I took a 1/4" drive socket...about the size of the bleeder valve...heated it up with a torch...and formed it to fit...Works just fine...
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Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:48 PM
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Reply to drujinin:
If that socket is on a 1/4" drive, put a 3" long extension on it. Thats the way I set mine up. If your injection system is in good shape. The only time you would need to bleed it is if the fuel system is empty. (ran out of fuel, changed filters)


The Cat supplied socket is 1/4" drive. If the old L shape wrenches aren't available I can get an 1/4" extension and swivel as suggested. You are right that this is a rare procedure under normal circumstances. I just got a 5U D2 going after sitting for a decade. It started right up after cleaning the starting engine gas tank and carb and putting in an inline gas filter. However the diesel tank also had a bit of rust near the filler neck so after cleaning it I drained a few gallons of fuel from the tank and from the filter housing on the engine block. Then it didn't want to start without bleeding the injectors for four consecutive starts. Since getting the machine out in the field and pulling hard for half a day it hasn't needed injector bleeding. Practically it is easier to leave the L wrench in the fender mounted tool box than to have to find the Cat special socket or make one from your socket set.

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Joe
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Thu, Jun 30, 2011 12:12 AM
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The Cat supplied socket is 1/4" drive. If the old L shape wrenches aren't available I can get an 1/4" extension and swivel as suggested. You are right that this is a rare procedure under normal circumstances. I just got a 5U D2 going after sitting for a decade. It started right up after cleaning the starting engine gas tank and carb and putting in an inline gas filter. However the diesel tank also had a bit of rust near the filler neck so after cleaning it I drained a few gallons of fuel from the tank and from the filter housing on the engine block. Then it didn't want to start without bleeding the injectors for four consecutive starts. Since getting the machine out in the field and pulling hard for half a day it hasn't needed injector bleeding. Practically it is easier to leave the L wrench in the fender mounted tool box than to have to find the Cat special socket or make one from your socket set.

Thanks,

Joe
I've read posts where people have all kinds of problems bleeding a D2 fuel system. Maybe I'm lucky, but I've never had a problem bleeding and never bled using the injector bleeder valves. I recently installed the seat tank, new fuel line, transfer pump and fuel filters on one of my D2's. I connected everything (fuel line from tank to transfer pump, etc). Poured in five gallons of fuel. Started the pony and then I bled at the filter housing, then cracked each fuel line with a 3/4 wrench where it attaches to the injector until fuel seeped out each line. The engine started right up. This is my typical MO dealing with bleeding the fuel system. I have one of those bleeder tools and used it once in twelve years. That one time was when i bought it just to see how it did. You'll end up having more problems dealing with trash in the tank or trash in the transfer pump bypass.
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Thu, Jun 30, 2011 2:23 AM
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The Cat supplied socket is 1/4" drive. If the old L shape wrenches aren't available I can get an 1/4" extension and swivel as suggested. You are right that this is a rare procedure under normal circumstances. I just got a 5U D2 going after sitting for a decade. It started right up after cleaning the starting engine gas tank and carb and putting in an inline gas filter. However the diesel tank also had a bit of rust near the filler neck so after cleaning it I drained a few gallons of fuel from the tank and from the filter housing on the engine block. Then it didn't want to start without bleeding the injectors for four consecutive starts. Since getting the machine out in the field and pulling hard for half a day it hasn't needed injector bleeding. Practically it is easier to leave the L wrench in the fender mounted tool box than to have to find the Cat special socket or make one from your socket set.

Thanks,

Joe
I just got done doing the bleeding procedures on a D4 2T that has not run for 10-15 years. No luck starting yet but thats a different story. My thoughts are why didn't they just make the heads of the stupid bleeder scews, a regular hex head like every other bolt in the world?:doh::doh: Or even make the two flat spots so a 1/4 inch wrench would work. Fortunatly I had an ignition wrench set that had a wrench just a twitch bigger than 1/4. OR maybe even put a slot in the top for a flat head screwdriver? Ok, got that off my chest.😱😱 The good news is the pony motor started after minor repairs and runs seemingly well.:whoo::whoo::whoo: Not far from starting, THEN on to the flywheel and steering clutches. YEA!!
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Thu, Jun 30, 2011 2:27 AM
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I just got done doing the bleeding procedures on a D4 2T that has not run for 10-15 years. No luck starting yet but thats a different story. My thoughts are why didn't they just make the heads of the stupid bleeder scews, a regular hex head like every other bolt in the world?:doh::doh: Or even make the two flat spots so a 1/4 inch wrench would work. Fortunatly I had an ignition wrench set that had a wrench just a twitch bigger than 1/4. OR maybe even put a slot in the top for a flat head screwdriver? Ok, got that off my chest.😱😱 The good news is the pony motor started after minor repairs and runs seemingly well.:whoo::whoo::whoo: Not far from starting, THEN on to the flywheel and steering clutches. YEA!!
I have the same cat 1/4 drive bleeder socket and have used it with an extention and small breaker bar. Last year I aquired a 1950 D4 6U out of a shed. I had to pull the side cover on the injection pump and free the rack and two stuck plungers before it would start. Starts very easy now and runs well. Dandy Dave!
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Thu, Jun 30, 2011 4:36 AM
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Reply to Dandy Dave:
I have the same cat 1/4 drive bleeder socket and have used it with an extention and small breaker bar. Last year I aquired a 1950 D4 6U out of a shed. I had to pull the side cover on the injection pump and free the rack and two stuck plungers before it would start. Starts very easy now and runs well. Dandy Dave!
I have one of the old L-shape wrenches. Also have a D2 5J, a D2 5U engine, and a D7 3T. The wrench works great on the 5J and the 3T, just barely goes onto #1 pump only on the 5U. It's not as good as it looks.

Loosen the flare nut at the injectors. You won't need to bleed the pumps.
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Thu, Jun 30, 2011 12:43 PM
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I have one of the old L-shape wrenches. Also have a D2 5J, a D2 5U engine, and a D7 3T. The wrench works great on the 5J and the 3T, just barely goes onto #1 pump only on the 5U. It's not as good as it looks.

Loosen the flare nut at the injectors. You won't need to bleed the pumps.
On a J series, they are 2 flats for a 1/4". If you had to use a little bigger wrench the corners must be buggered a little.
Same size on my early D6 pump also.
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