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D4gyppo
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So I have an old D4, #7u17559, and it seems like I’m getting diesel mixing with my crankcase oil. I was wondering if there was a way for it to get from the injector pump into the crankcase like via a bad seal? Has anyone else had similar symptoms?
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Sun, May 27, 2018 10:38 PM
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Same thing happened to the no 10 diesel engine
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Sun, May 27, 2018 11:10 PM
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Same thing happened to the no 10 diesel engine


any ideas where the source of the problem could be?
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Sun, May 27, 2018 11:25 PM
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Reply to D4gyppo:


any ideas where the source of the problem could be?
pump seals
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Sun, May 27, 2018 11:30 PM
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any ideas where the source of the problem could be?
Happens allot with old machines that havent been gone through since new. Theres an oring between the fuel filter housing and the injection pump housing that goes bad. Also the transfer pump seals can leak but that has a drain tube. Seal # is 8B4967 there is a ferrule that may be pitted also that seal fits on, thats a 2A3855. You will need to get the gaskets to remove the governor and pump housing also.
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Sun, May 27, 2018 11:32 PM
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Look in parts book for your serial number to see if there is a plug on the governor end of the fuel pump housing with a second 8B4967 o-ring sealing it. Later machines had a pump housing with the fuel gallery stopped from going all the way through to the governor end so they do not have the plug with the second o-ring there. If that one is leaking you probably would see that the oil level in the injection pump was overfull and the oil diluted.

The seal on the ferrule between the filter tower and injection pump housing usually leaks directly into the engine crankcase without accumulating anywhere else first.

Note that the 8B4967 seals are round o-rings. The old ones will not look like that. They typically are triangular cross-section from being squashed for several decades or more, but they started out round.

There is no timing issue removing and replacing the injection pump and governor. The pump drive tang is offset in the accessory drive and mating pump camshaft so it cannot mate back together 180° out like pumps on many other brands. The same goes for removing the governor if required, nothing is going to fly out and be lost when it comes apart!
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Mon, May 28, 2018 12:49 AM
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Look in parts book for your serial number to see if there is a plug on the governor end of the fuel pump housing with a second 8B4967 o-ring sealing it. Later machines had a pump housing with the fuel gallery stopped from going all the way through to the governor end so they do not have the plug with the second o-ring there. If that one is leaking you probably would see that the oil level in the injection pump was overfull and the oil diluted.

The seal on the ferrule between the filter tower and injection pump housing usually leaks directly into the engine crankcase without accumulating anywhere else first.

Note that the 8B4967 seals are round o-rings. The old ones will not look like that. They typically are triangular cross-section from being squashed for several decades or more, but they started out round.

There is no timing issue removing and replacing the injection pump and governor. The pump drive tang is offset in the accessory drive and mating pump camshaft so it cannot mate back together 180° out like pumps on many other brands. The same goes for removing the governor if required, nothing is going to fly out and be lost when it comes apart!
Make sure everything is well cleaned before tearing it apart, you dont want any dirt getting in the governor or pump housing. At serial # 7U37459-up they did away with rear plug and seal.
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Mon, May 28, 2018 1:04 AM
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Reply to Rome K/G:
Happens allot with old machines that havent been gone through since new. Theres an oring between the fuel filter housing and the injection pump housing that goes bad. Also the transfer pump seals can leak but that has a drain tube. Seal # is 8B4967 there is a ferrule that may be pitted also that seal fits on, thats a 2A3855. You will need to get the gaskets to remove the governor and pump housing also.


Thank you very much! Looks like I have a little bit of work ahead of me!!
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Mon, May 28, 2018 6:16 AM
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Look in parts book for your serial number to see if there is a plug on the governor end of the fuel pump housing with a second 8B4967 o-ring sealing it. Later machines had a pump housing with the fuel gallery stopped from going all the way through to the governor end so they do not have the plug with the second o-ring there. If that one is leaking you probably would see that the oil level in the injection pump was overfull and the oil diluted.

The seal on the ferrule between the filter tower and injection pump housing usually leaks directly into the engine crankcase without accumulating anywhere else first.

Note that the 8B4967 seals are round o-rings. The old ones will not look like that. They typically are triangular cross-section from being squashed for several decades or more, but they started out round.

There is no timing issue removing and replacing the injection pump and governor. The pump drive tang is offset in the accessory drive and mating pump camshaft so it cannot mate back together 180° out like pumps on many other brands. The same goes for removing the governor if required, nothing is going to fly out and be lost when it comes apart!
[quote="ccjersey"]Look in parts book for your serial number to see if there is a plug on the governor end of the fuel pump housing with a second 8B4967 o-ring sealing it. Later machines had a pump housing with the fuel gallery stopped from going all the way through to the governor end so they do not have the plug with the second o-ring there. If that one is leaking you probably would see that the oil level in the injection pump was overfull and the oil diluted.

The seal on the ferrule between the filter tower and injection pump housing usually leaks directly into the engine crankcase without accumulating anywhere else first.

Note that the 8B4967 seals are round o-rings. The old ones will not look like that. They typically are triangular cross-section from being squashed for several decades or more, but they started out round.

There is no timing issue removing and replacing the injection pump and governor. The pump drive tang is offset in the accessory drive and mating pump camshaft so it cannot mate back together 180° out like pumps on many other brands. The same goes for removing the governor if required, nothing is going to fly out and be lost when it comes apart![/quote]


Thank you very much!! Looks like I have a bit of a project ahead of me!!!
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Mon, May 28, 2018 6:18 AM
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[quote="ccjersey"]Look in parts book for your serial number to see if there is a plug on the governor end of the fuel pump housing with a second 8B4967 o-ring sealing it. Later machines had a pump housing with the fuel gallery stopped from going all the way through to the governor end so they do not have the plug with the second o-ring there. If that one is leaking you probably would see that the oil level in the injection pump was overfull and the oil diluted.

The seal on the ferrule between the filter tower and injection pump housing usually leaks directly into the engine crankcase without accumulating anywhere else first.

Note that the 8B4967 seals are round o-rings. The old ones will not look like that. They typically are triangular cross-section from being squashed for several decades or more, but they started out round.

There is no timing issue removing and replacing the injection pump and governor. The pump drive tang is offset in the accessory drive and mating pump camshaft so it cannot mate back together 180° out like pumps on many other brands. The same goes for removing the governor if required, nothing is going to fly out and be lost when it comes apart![/quote]


Thank you very much!! Looks like I have a bit of a project ahead of me!!!
Your welcome, it will take some patience to getting the gov and pump off but with the right tools it will be easy. Gary
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Mon, May 28, 2018 6:43 AM
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A 3/8" drive 9/16 universal socket or a short socket on a universal is usually nice to have getting to a couple of the bolts/nuts between pump housing and engine block. A selection of different extensions that add up to just the right length will lower the frustration level a notch or two!
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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