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Good Evening; Found this product through the Farm Show paper. Does anyone out know anything about it? If it actually does what it says I am thinking about buying the small setup to try. www.myfastfuel.com Thanks Mike
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Thu, May 3, 2007 10:26 AM
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Interesting! IHC tractors that were being sold probably 30 years ago carried instructions for burning the used crankcase oil straight away--no treatment of any kind. As I recall, they said to put the drained oil into the fuel tank and fill it up with diesel to get the right mix. The installed fuel filters were supposed to clean it up adaquately.

My experience (treating fence posts) was that lube oil and diesel don't stay mixed all that well. The lube oil settled out even after a thorough mixing. Maybe these folks have a solution for that problem.

Jack
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Thu, May 3, 2007 11:29 AM
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Interesting! IHC tractors that were being sold probably 30 years ago carried instructions for burning the used crankcase oil straight away--no treatment of any kind. As I recall, they said to put the drained oil into the fuel tank and fill it up with diesel to get the right mix. The installed fuel filters were supposed to clean it up adaquately.

My experience (treating fence posts) was that lube oil and diesel don't stay mixed all that well. The lube oil settled out even after a thorough mixing. Maybe these folks have a solution for that problem.

Jack
Caterpillar offers an option on some of the larger equipment that is called oil renewal system that uses this principle they run a day tank on the engine that you keep full of clean oil and the engine mixes (I am not sure what the ratio is ) used engine oil into the fuel rail and burns it off at a given rate. The you just change the oil filters every 250 Hours.
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Thu, May 3, 2007 2:46 PM
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Caterpillar offers an option on some of the larger equipment that is called oil renewal system that uses this principle they run a day tank on the engine that you keep full of clean oil and the engine mixes (I am not sure what the ratio is ) used engine oil into the fuel rail and burns it off at a given rate. The you just change the oil filters every 250 Hours.
In the seventies I remember reading that Coors was 'recycling' their waste crankcase oil by mixing with fuel in their delivery fleet. I believe about 2%. I also believe they did some filtering and it was done with Cummins blessing.

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Fri, May 4, 2007 12:01 PM
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I guess I've been the "odd duck on the block, & lived on the edge" for years now, but I've run WMO in my fuel off-n-on for years. In '70 I used to let my WMO settle sometimes, sometimes not, but strained it as best as possible, then dumped it into storage tank. Pumped off that & into my trucks with Cat & Cummings engines.
Sometimes I just poured straight into fuel tanks if I thought it was really clean. Back then it was probably about 10% max mix. Ran OK...but drivers bit**ed and swore I was nuts.....Oh well, it was my idea & $$$$!!

In recent years I have run WVO in some 7.3's OK & still run WMO in my diesel, sometimes pretty rich mix. I run 2 seperate tank set-up, one for each & flop back & forth.
One thing I found, I no longer add any WMO to my WVO tank....seems the WVO & the WMO tend to clabber & makes "cottage cheese" in my filters, thus short filter life.
Heated fuel tank & fuel system helps bigtime. Probably can run richer WMO mix with fuel if it's heated.

I'm currently rigging up my 9U to try on WMO on separate heated tank & filters set-up. Hope to get it all done today-tomorrow-or next day...???? Maybe.
Right now I'm running into having trouble getting enough heated coolant that's hot enough to work. My cooling system is working too well....130 degF or less...still haven't got that part checked yet. Thermostats or something.

But I'm-a-gonna-do-it-yet!!! Too many my local "friends" keep telling me it can't be done. I may scatter yellow Kitty-Cat parts & pieces all over the place when she blows up, but I'm gonna give it a try!!!

(if you'all look in this direction in next few days & see a big cloud of smoke & dust... a cloud that don't look right, you'll know I messed up!!)😮 😮
~and this too shall pass~
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Fri, May 4, 2007 10:29 PM
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I guess I've been the "odd duck on the block, & lived on the edge" for years now, but I've run WMO in my fuel off-n-on for years. In '70 I used to let my WMO settle sometimes, sometimes not, but strained it as best as possible, then dumped it into storage tank. Pumped off that & into my trucks with Cat & Cummings engines.
Sometimes I just poured straight into fuel tanks if I thought it was really clean. Back then it was probably about 10% max mix. Ran OK...but drivers bit**ed and swore I was nuts.....Oh well, it was my idea & $$$$!!

In recent years I have run WVO in some 7.3's OK & still run WMO in my diesel, sometimes pretty rich mix. I run 2 seperate tank set-up, one for each & flop back & forth.
One thing I found, I no longer add any WMO to my WVO tank....seems the WVO & the WMO tend to clabber & makes "cottage cheese" in my filters, thus short filter life.
Heated fuel tank & fuel system helps bigtime. Probably can run richer WMO mix with fuel if it's heated.

I'm currently rigging up my 9U to try on WMO on separate heated tank & filters set-up. Hope to get it all done today-tomorrow-or next day...???? Maybe.
Right now I'm running into having trouble getting enough heated coolant that's hot enough to work. My cooling system is working too well....130 degF or less...still haven't got that part checked yet. Thermostats or something.

But I'm-a-gonna-do-it-yet!!! Too many my local "friends" keep telling me it can't be done. I may scatter yellow Kitty-Cat parts & pieces all over the place when she blows up, but I'm gonna give it a try!!!

(if you'all look in this direction in next few days & see a big cloud of smoke & dust... a cloud that don't look right, you'll know I messed up!!)😮 😮
I'm told that warm crankcase oil will burn just fine in a diesel if a busted blower oil seal in the Detroit "Iron lung" gives any indication.😮 😮 😮
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Sat, May 5, 2007 9:22 AM
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I'm told that warm crankcase oil will burn just fine in a diesel if a busted blower oil seal in the Detroit "Iron lung" gives any indication.😮 😮 😮
Warm oil burns real good. I seen the remains of a 3406 in a landfill compactor that lost the turbo seal. The fuel was shut off but she ran away. Everyone bailed from the unit and said a flame was blowing from the stack about four feet high. She sucked 10 gallon of oil out in less than 30 seconds and got hot enough it burnt the wiring harnesses out of the engine compartment. It finally spun every bearing out of it before it died.
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Sat, May 5, 2007 11:41 AM
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Warm oil burns real good. I seen the remains of a 3406 in a landfill compactor that lost the turbo seal. The fuel was shut off but she ran away. Everyone bailed from the unit and said a flame was blowing from the stack about four feet high. She sucked 10 gallon of oil out in less than 30 seconds and got hot enough it burnt the wiring harnesses out of the engine compartment. It finally spun every bearing out of it before it died.
there was a 966g wheelloader wich they used to jump start a othermachine with and instead of putting the clams on the battery they used the starter engine plus pole , by mistake they hit the oil filter with the plus and short circuit it , the oil filtre got a hole in it by that and it got on fire , the engine was running so hot oil was pumped out, luckely the got the fire out.
just a story as i read the one about the compactor.
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