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ironman3406
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Hey Folks, 

Grandpa has dove into the starting engine on our diesel forty.  He has a couple questions:
What was the standard piston/bore measurement?
What is the ring gap spec? 
The stock ring part numbers are: T245 compression, and T246 oil.  Does anyone have the changed up part number for those or does anyone know where one might get rings if things are still standard sized? 
Serial # of the tractor is 3G1305 if that helps anyone. 
Thank you for the help.

Nathan Duncan
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Fri, Feb 11, 2022 10:39 PM
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I am not going to be much help here but I will say that make sure you have the Cat Ten size piston starting engine because the later starting engines have a larger bore. Starting engines seam to have moved around a bit over the years of the life of a tractor. My paper version of the NPR shows no change in part number, if you ask Cat the number would be either 0T0245 or 0T0246. That also being said, find someone that is selling rings for a Cat Ten and get a half set from them. Same rings.
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Fri, Feb 11, 2022 10:56 PM
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Thanks naylorbros - I didn't know the starting engines shared the same piston as a ten. I tried those numbers with Cat and they must be long gone from their system. Don't suppose you know the ring gap spec or standard piston measurements?

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Mon, Feb 14, 2022 10:22 AM
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Reply to ironman3406:
Thanks naylorbros - I didn't know the starting engines shared the same piston as a ten. I tried those numbers with Cat and they must be long gone from their system. Don't suppose you know the ring gap spec or standard piston measurements?

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Nathan
Ken, it's the case that the first two cylinder starting engines were literally half of a Ten engine right? Would that also mean in addition to pistons and rings, that the rods, big ends, valves, and associated parts would also be shared with the Ten?
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Mon, Feb 14, 2022 8:23 PM
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Ken, it's the case that the first two cylinder starting engines were literally half of a Ten engine right? Would that also mean in addition to pistons and rings, that the rods, big ends, valves, and associated parts would also be shared with the Ten?
The problem I have right now is I do not have a Diesel 35 or 40 parts book here so most of this is going off of memory. The rod is a different part number than the 10 because of the difference between splash lube used on the starting engine and the pressure system used on the Ten. I would guess that the length of the rod is also different. The small end bushing is the same along with the big end shims and rod bolts. The valves, valve guides, springs, locks, retainers, lifters and adjusting screw and lock, the lifter guide are all the same as the Ten. The valve spring cover, gasket and nut assembly are the same as the Ten, but the nut changed from cast iron to die cast somewhere along the way. Camshaft end plug the same as the Ten
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Wed, Feb 16, 2022 10:13 PM
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Reply to naylorbros:
The problem I have right now is I do not have a Diesel 35 or 40 parts book here so most of this is going off of memory. The rod is a different part number than the 10 because of the difference between splash lube used on the starting engine and the pressure system used on the Ten. I would guess that the length of the rod is also different. The small end bushing is the same along with the big end shims and rod bolts. The valves, valve guides, springs, locks, retainers, lifters and adjusting screw and lock, the lifter guide are all the same as the Ten. The valve spring cover, gasket and nut assembly are the same as the Ten, but the nut changed from cast iron to die cast somewhere along the way. Camshaft end plug the same as the Ten

There is a parts book for the Diesel 35 in the library.
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Wed, Feb 16, 2022 10:19 PM
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There is a parts book for the Diesel 35 in the library.
Measure the bore of the engine and that'll tell you if it's oversized.
A standard Ten bore is: 3.375"
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Thu, Feb 17, 2022 2:21 AM
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Parts book and Operator’s Instructions for the Diesel Forty now in the Technical Library.

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Thu, Feb 17, 2022 6:03 AM
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Ring gap should be .012" to .020" for comp and oil rings. Cast iron pistons having a skirt clearance of more than .012" to .005" should be replaced. New cast iron piston in a reconditioned cylinder bore should have a skirt clearance .003" to .005" An aluminum piston should have a skirt clearance of .010" to .012"
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Ring gap should be .012" to .020" for comp and oil rings. Cast iron pistons having a skirt clearance of more than .012" to .005" should be replaced. New cast iron piston in a reconditioned cylinder bore should have a skirt clearance .003" to .005" An aluminum piston should have a skirt clearance of .010" to .012"
Later starting engines have 3 5/8" bore, standard piston is part #1C0001, .020" over is 1C2241, .040" over is 1C2242. Semi finished piston is1B1657. Standard comp rings are 6B2850 and oil rings are 6B2298. .010" over is 2B6066 comp ring and 2B5156 oil ring. Standard con rod is 2A2367 and .020" under is 3B8278
Let me know if you need specs for the 3 3/8" bore engine.
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