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Pioneernorth
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Just thought I'd ask. What are the thoughts on a decelerator on a 14a? I've never seen one but the manual shows it was an option. Further to my broken studs in the pup I'm going to pull the pup off and do it right. Need to change the gasket on the back of the water manifold behind it on the big engine. I was amazed that Finning(Cat dealer) was able to get about 95% of the seals and gaskets still!
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Fri, Dec 2, 2016 3:26 AM
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Hi, Pioneernorth and Garlic Pete.
IMHO, a decelerator on a direct drive machine would make it easier to perform some 'delicate' tasks and could sometimes leave a hand free for other things by not needing to operate the master clutch. It would make it easier to pick up scrapers when push loading for one thing. I think it would be an even bigger plus on a torque converter drive machine, especially a 15A D8 where the clutch is intended to only be engaged with the engine at low idle due to the type of clutch that it has.

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Fri, Dec 2, 2016 6:03 AM
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Hi, Pioneernorth and Garlic Pete.
IMHO, a decelerator on a direct drive machine would make it easier to perform some 'delicate' tasks and could sometimes leave a hand free for other things by not needing to operate the master clutch. It would make it easier to pick up scrapers when push loading for one thing. I think it would be an even bigger plus on a torque converter drive machine, especially a 15A D8 where the clutch is intended to only be engaged with the engine at low idle due to the type of clutch that it has.

Just my 0.02.
When the clutch brake gets worn I find myself at times having to throttle down to decrease the gear speeds to make the shift. A decelerator would be handy when this happens.

JanM
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Fri, Dec 2, 2016 6:54 AM
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When the clutch brake gets worn I find myself at times having to throttle down to decrease the gear speeds to make the shift. A decelerator would be handy when this happens.

JanM
Hi, Jan M.
Unless I miss my guess, 7UPuller would say that there is a simple answer for that issue - - - - - FIX the clutch brake. LOL.

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Fri, Dec 2, 2016 8:47 AM
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Hi, Jan M.
Unless I miss my guess, 7UPuller would say that there is a simple answer for that issue - - - - - FIX the clutch brake. LOL.

Just my 0.02.
Deas,

You mentioning "FIX the Clutch brake" reminds me of back when I young and still working on my family's ranch, and driving one of our two D7-3T's. One of them had the oil clutch and in the winter when it was real cold (almost down to freezing - br-r-r-r) in the morning after starting the Cat I could NOT get the clutch to stop turning so I coud shift the transmission into gear, becasue the oil in the clutch was so cold. I learned, since that Cat had a BeGe hydraulic pump on the rear, to pull one of the handles even though there was not necessarily anything attached. The "load" on the gear train was enough to stop the clutch spinning so I could shift into gear to go to work. Later, of course, after all the oil had warmed up everything worked just like it was supposed to. OF, course if my father would have fixed the clutch brake (it was covered with oil from a leaky seal on the input of the transmission), all would have been far easier and better.

Otherwiese I have learned, from this thread, what is the purpose of a Decelerator peddle on the newer Cats.:biggrin1:
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Fri, Dec 2, 2016 9:59 AM
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Deas,

You mentioning "FIX the Clutch brake" reminds me of back when I young and still working on my family's ranch, and driving one of our two D7-3T's. One of them had the oil clutch and in the winter when it was real cold (almost down to freezing - br-r-r-r) in the morning after starting the Cat I could NOT get the clutch to stop turning so I coud shift the transmission into gear, becasue the oil in the clutch was so cold. I learned, since that Cat had a BeGe hydraulic pump on the rear, to pull one of the handles even though there was not necessarily anything attached. The "load" on the gear train was enough to stop the clutch spinning so I could shift into gear to go to work. Later, of course, after all the oil had warmed up everything worked just like it was supposed to. OF, course if my father would have fixed the clutch brake (it was covered with oil from a leaky seal on the input of the transmission), all would have been far easier and better.

Otherwiese I have learned, from this thread, what is the purpose of a Decelerator peddle on the newer Cats.:biggrin1:
I've thought about adding a decelerator to my 15A.

I've found it handy on the D8H if I need to make a tight turn at a stop. Slow engine down, shift into gear, grab steering clutch lever and push appropriate brake pedal. Ease off decelerator as you turn.
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Fri, Dec 2, 2016 10:26 AM
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Reply to Walt D7-3T:
Deas,

You mentioning "FIX the Clutch brake" reminds me of back when I young and still working on my family's ranch, and driving one of our two D7-3T's. One of them had the oil clutch and in the winter when it was real cold (almost down to freezing - br-r-r-r) in the morning after starting the Cat I could NOT get the clutch to stop turning so I coud shift the transmission into gear, becasue the oil in the clutch was so cold. I learned, since that Cat had a BeGe hydraulic pump on the rear, to pull one of the handles even though there was not necessarily anything attached. The "load" on the gear train was enough to stop the clutch spinning so I could shift into gear to go to work. Later, of course, after all the oil had warmed up everything worked just like it was supposed to. OF, course if my father would have fixed the clutch brake (it was covered with oil from a leaky seal on the input of the transmission), all would have been far easier and better.

Otherwiese I have learned, from this thread, what is the purpose of a Decelerator peddle on the newer Cats.:biggrin1:
[quote="Walt D7-3T"]OF, course if my father would have fixed the clutch brake (it was covered with oil from a leaky seal on the input of the transmission), all would have been far easier and better.
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IDK, probably much easier for him to watch you struggle with it than mess around with fixing it....
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Fri, Dec 2, 2016 11:14 AM
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Hi, Jan M.
Unless I miss my guess, 7UPuller would say that there is a simple answer for that issue - - - - - FIX the clutch brake. LOL.

Just my 0.02.
[quote="Deas Plant."]Hi, Jan M.
Unless I miss my guess, 7UPuller would say that there is a simple answer for that issue - - - - - FIX the clutch brake. LOL.

Just my 0.02.[/quote]

Deas,

What? Stop having fun just to pull wrenches? More fun to grind the gears. Up until last spring, it was always gears that belonged to Glen!! 😊

Janm
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Fri, Dec 2, 2016 6:32 PM
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[quote="Deas Plant."]Hi, Jan M.
Unless I miss my guess, 7UPuller would say that there is a simple answer for that issue - - - - - FIX the clutch brake. LOL.

Just my 0.02.[/quote]

Deas,

What? Stop having fun just to pull wrenches? More fun to grind the gears. Up until last spring, it was always gears that belonged to Glen!! 😊

Janm
Hey Deas,

A bystander at the Santa Margarita Show was watching the dig area for a few hours. He approached me and handed me his business card. He asked me if I would sell him my used oils and he pointed to the Cat Jan was running. I asked, "So your in the recycle oil business"? "No" he replied,"I'm a metal scraper. I think there's much more metal in that tranny oil now than before. After watching that operator run it, I might get Rich screening the metal out of the oil... "!!! What's one to do???😞
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Fri, Dec 2, 2016 9:49 PM
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Hey Deas,

A bystander at the Santa Margarita Show was watching the dig area for a few hours. He approached me and handed me his business card. He asked me if I would sell him my used oils and he pointed to the Cat Jan was running. I asked, "So your in the recycle oil business"? "No" he replied,"I'm a metal scraper. I think there's much more metal in that tranny oil now than before. After watching that operator run it, I might get Rich screening the metal out of the oil... "!!! What's one to do???😞
When I bought my D7E 47A (direct drive), it was equipped with the optional decelerator pedal. I was used to D.D. machines not having a decelerator so I was surprised how useful it was when I started using it. You might be able to find a complete decelerator from a powershift tractor, if you do and the price is reasonable, it is a handy addition.
Craig
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Fri, Dec 2, 2016 10:28 PM
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Just a lot of things to do with your hands sometimes. Being able to do one thing with your foot makes life easier.

Had one on an old PTA Steiger with an Allison automatic that was actually placed for the left foot since there was no clutch pedal. I think I am remembering correctly, tractor has been gone a month or so...how quickly I forget ha! ha!.

The not as old direct drive powershift CaseIH 9170 (Red Steiger!) has it in the normal "accelerator" position for your right foot. I don't have as much time in that one and I sometimes find myself pressing the pedal to (try to) go faster. It is nice to have when backing into field corners to plow them out. Hands are busy steering and working the hydraulics and transmission selectors.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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