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Fitting ring gear to carrier after trans rebuild. One carrier bolt was sheared and one nut came off. Magnetic strainer caught them. Any way when new bolts fitted loosely in carrier there is a fair amount of movement and is almost snug in the ring gear. We're concerned with the gear radially creeping due to forward/ reverse cycles. Are we overthinking this? Is there any kind of tolerance on this? Any thing else to look for? Teeth in gear are good. Any thoughts? THANKS, Andy.
Cat D8K, Cat112 3u grader, Cat 236 skid loader, JD 690 B hoe, Case (Can't Afford Something Else) 1150b, 450 dozer, 450 loader, 580c backhoe x2, 310f loader backhoe, Mack R model tractor w/ Rogers RGN My fleet of mostly working antiques. :crazy😛roviding a great living for the parts guys! :eyebrows:
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Sun, Apr 17, 2016 11:08 PM
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Doesn't seem to be any spec for the bolt hole fit and I couldn't find a specific torque for the bolts. Torque would be generic for that size bolt.
Holes should be checked with a bore gauge. If any are hogged out the shaft/flange should be replaced. Replace all with new Cat hardware if there is any concern.
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Sun, Apr 17, 2016 11:43 PM
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Doesn't seem to be any spec for the bolt hole fit and I couldn't find a specific torque for the bolts. Torque would be generic for that size bolt.
Holes should be checked with a bore gauge. If any are hogged out the shaft/flange should be replaced. Replace all with new Cat hardware if there is any concern.
Thanks for the reply old magnet! Thinking might go to dealer and check fit on new one, if they have one in stock. I've talked with some of the mechanics and most are not familiar with something that old! (39 years seems kinda newish to me😖hocked😊 Andy
Cat D8K, Cat112 3u grader, Cat 236 skid loader, JD 690 B hoe, Case (Can't Afford Something Else) 1150b, 450 dozer, 450 loader, 580c backhoe x2, 310f loader backhoe, Mack R model tractor w/ Rogers RGN My fleet of mostly working antiques. :crazy😛roviding a great living for the parts guys! :eyebrows:
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Mon, Apr 18, 2016 9:12 AM
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Reply to andyindy:
Thanks for the reply old magnet! Thinking might go to dealer and check fit on new one, if they have one in stock. I've talked with some of the mechanics and most are not familiar with something that old! (39 years seems kinda newish to me😖hocked😊 Andy
Shows the same bevel gear shaft 9H0641 used in the 35A, 36A, 46A, 76A and 77V. Someone should know something.
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Mon, Apr 18, 2016 9:22 AM
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Shows the same bevel gear shaft 9H0641 used in the 35A, 36A, 46A, 76A and 77V. Someone should know something.
What 'ring gear' are we talking about? Is it the bevel gear?
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Mon, Apr 18, 2016 2:15 PM
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What 'ring gear' are we talking about? Is it the bevel gear?
Yes, it is the bevel gear.
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Mon, Apr 18, 2016 6:36 PM
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Yes, it is the bevel gear.
Those are dowel bolts which are a dead fit in the hub and bevel gear and usually need to be tapped in, or out, with a small hammer, any movement will soon compromise the torque on the bolts and loosen them off. You may get away with one or two if the rest are all a good fit but its a lot of work and expense if you have to go back in there. There should be a torque setting in the service manual.
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Mon, Apr 18, 2016 8:24 PM
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Those are dowel bolts which are a dead fit in the hub and bevel gear and usually need to be tapped in, or out, with a small hammer, any movement will soon compromise the torque on the bolts and loosen them off. You may get away with one or two if the rest are all a good fit but its a lot of work and expense if you have to go back in there. There should be a torque setting in the service manual.
Problem solved...... new shaft not available:frusty: I did fit them up and altho did not have to tap them in, they were snug. With out the nuts on the gear movement is right at .001. I've seen them weld ring gears on case 580 c & d backhoes, just skip welds,dont think I want to do this on this one. Andy
Cat D8K, Cat112 3u grader, Cat 236 skid loader, JD 690 B hoe, Case (Can't Afford Something Else) 1150b, 450 dozer, 450 loader, 580c backhoe x2, 310f loader backhoe, Mack R model tractor w/ Rogers RGN My fleet of mostly working antiques. :crazy😛roviding a great living for the parts guys! :eyebrows:
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Tue, Apr 19, 2016 10:10 AM
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Problem solved...... new shaft not available:frusty: I did fit them up and altho did not have to tap them in, they were snug. With out the nuts on the gear movement is right at .001. I've seen them weld ring gears on case 580 c & d backhoes, just skip welds,dont think I want to do this on this one. Andy
Maybe you don't need one but they are out there.
http://www.machinerytrader.com/list/partssearch.aspx?PartNum=9H0641&btnPartSearch=Search&PST=Starts
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Tue, Apr 19, 2016 10:25 PM
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Maybe you don't need one but they are out there.
http://www.machinerytrader.com/list/partssearch.aspx?PartNum=9H0641&btnPartSearch=Search&PST=Starts
Thanks for all the leads Old Magnet. I'm going to keep checking on what is acceptable, somebody somewhere knows!😄 Andy.
Cat D8K, Cat112 3u grader, Cat 236 skid loader, JD 690 B hoe, Case (Can't Afford Something Else) 1150b, 450 dozer, 450 loader, 580c backhoe x2, 310f loader backhoe, Mack R model tractor w/ Rogers RGN My fleet of mostly working antiques. :crazy😛roviding a great living for the parts guys! :eyebrows:
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Wed, Apr 20, 2016 5:19 AM
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Reply to andyindy:
Thanks for all the leads Old Magnet. I'm going to keep checking on what is acceptable, somebody somewhere knows!😄 Andy.
Hi Andy,
as others have said these bolts have to be a tight fit or the gear works back and forth on the shaft flange and eventually fatigue fails the bolts.
Maybe check with The Dealer and see if there was an upgrade to the bolt sizes or even oversized ones available.
These bolts are working hard in this area and as Cat upped the HP so more weak spots showed up, so to speak.

Thought TC would have chimed in by now as he does look after a lot of these units in England.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Wed, Apr 20, 2016 7:17 AM
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