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helifixer
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first it has stamped in the rear 6A4342H I think it should be "46A"
eng s/n 46a6085
it is powershift, 2 way blade.
any guess on what year it is?
it has SIMMEL CH 8D tracks on it anyone ever heard of these? are they the Korean made tracks?
no idea on how many hours on machine,
CAT put in a rebuilt trans and final drive 10 years ago the links have 95% life left in them (same tracks that were on it when trans was rebuilt) so it hasn't had too many hours put on it.
new heads 5 years ago.
new corner bits.
main bits need turned over,
CAT inspected it and called the under carriage 95%
starts good runs strong pushes good
blade pins loose, ram pins loose ram pivot bushings on nose gone and worn the pins and housing.
minimal oil leaks, oil pan seeping, inside gaskets on final drive on both sides slight leak on turbo oil return line wet.
trans fluid is milky, sent sample of oil to lab for testing
any idea what a machine like this is worth?
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Is the undercarraige 5% worn or 95% worn, I inspected Cat undercarraige for 21 years of my career and if I wrote down 95% on a report it meant 95% worn, thats how the U/C reports are laid out.
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helifixer
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Is the undercarraige 5% worn or 95% worn, I inspected Cat undercarraige for 21 years of my career and if I wrote down 95% on a report it meant 95% worn, thats how the U/C reports are laid out.
5% worn, 95% Left for some reason the local cat people here do it backwards.
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hello helifixer ,the d8h 46A4342H was built in 1962 .

tracks -quote -In January 1989 Berco took over SIMMEL factory in Castelfranco Veneto (Treviso),

may have a leak in the oil cooling housing
bruce oz
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helifixer
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hello helifixer ,the d8h 46A4342H was built in 1962 .

tracks -quote -In January 1989 Berco took over SIMMEL factory in Castelfranco Veneto (Treviso),

may have a leak in the oil cooling housing
bruce oz
thanks, any idea of a price range?
it also has swivel rippers.
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bruce oz
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thanks, any idea of a price range?
it also has swivel rippers.
http://www.machinerytrader.com/list/dismantledsearch.aspx?Pref=1&ETID=3&Mdltxt=D8H&Manu=CATERPILLAR&mdlx=exact&bcatid=4

hello helifixer machinery trader will give you a idea what its worth ,bruce oz
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Mike Walsh
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hello helifixer ,the d8h 46A4342H was built in 1962 .

tracks -quote -In January 1989 Berco took over SIMMEL factory in Castelfranco Veneto (Treviso),

may have a leak in the oil cooling housing
bruce oz
Sounds like a low horse 46A. Finals always leak there. Simmel was popular years ago. If you don't see any chunks breaking off, the metalurgy is probably ok. Sounds like someone spent some money on it and never used it much thereafter. Offer scrap plus what its worth to you. It doesn't take long before you have to invest some money in something. Check the final and transmission filters. When you pull the final fill plugs, do you get drenched with oil. If you do, you have a problem. Cut the trans filters open and look for metal. New transmissions are nice but if it was rebuilt with aftermarket parts and the cooler was not replaced, its not much of an improvement. Was any work done on the cross shaft and brakes. What's the coolant like. Do a pH test. Coolant can go bad after a lot of years of no use but given the condition of the undercarriage, it should still be good if the previous owner paid attention to pH and nitrite. If the block is full of tap water and no coolant, you probably have a problem. CAT coolant was pink back then; DEAC. If its still pink the previous owner took good care of his equipment. Does it have a front pump with hydraulic reservoir or did someone convert it; hyd tank on right fender. Ripper or bare. Value also depends on the block. I don't remember which are prone to spider webs (cracking). Maybe someone else here does. My recollection is your serial number predates the bad blocks. If the rollers, segments and idlers are good, the coolant looks good, there is no metal in the finals or trans filters, not much blow by, no excess oil in the finals and the radiator isn't rotted, it will probably pay for itself on your first job. I forgot. Check the equalizer bar. Did it wear a hole anywhere.

There is nothing like a 46A for balance when you are in the hills. Just don't get them too close to vertical. They loose suction quickly and will give you the ride of your life backwards before they lock up. Don't power down either when you are near vertical. They will stall; the ride is the same. If it checks out, I wouldn't be afraid of it, but then its my favorite 8.
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Mike Walsh
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Sounds like a low horse 46A. Finals always leak there. Simmel was popular years ago. If you don't see any chunks breaking off, the metalurgy is probably ok. Sounds like someone spent some money on it and never used it much thereafter. Offer scrap plus what its worth to you. It doesn't take long before you have to invest some money in something. Check the final and transmission filters. When you pull the final fill plugs, do you get drenched with oil. If you do, you have a problem. Cut the trans filters open and look for metal. New transmissions are nice but if it was rebuilt with aftermarket parts and the cooler was not replaced, its not much of an improvement. Was any work done on the cross shaft and brakes. What's the coolant like. Do a pH test. Coolant can go bad after a lot of years of no use but given the condition of the undercarriage, it should still be good if the previous owner paid attention to pH and nitrite. If the block is full of tap water and no coolant, you probably have a problem. CAT coolant was pink back then; DEAC. If its still pink the previous owner took good care of his equipment. Does it have a front pump with hydraulic reservoir or did someone convert it; hyd tank on right fender. Ripper or bare. Value also depends on the block. I don't remember which are prone to spider webs (cracking). Maybe someone else here does. My recollection is your serial number predates the bad blocks. If the rollers, segments and idlers are good, the coolant looks good, there is no metal in the finals or trans filters, not much blow by, no excess oil in the finals and the radiator isn't rotted, it will probably pay for itself on your first job. I forgot. Check the equalizer bar. Did it wear a hole anywhere.

There is nothing like a 46A for balance when you are in the hills. Just don't get them too close to vertical. They loose suction quickly and will give you the ride of your life backwards before they lock up. Don't power down either when you are near vertical. They will stall; the ride is the same. If it checks out, I wouldn't be afraid of it, but then its my favorite 8.
Just saw your swivel ripper post. Is it a 4 barrel or 2 barrel. CAT or Ateco. The benefit to this ripper is it is not prone to breaking off when it hits something hard. Good for ripping farm ground.
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SJ
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Just saw your swivel ripper post. Is it a 4 barrel or 2 barrel. CAT or Ateco. The benefit to this ripper is it is not prone to breaking off when it hits something hard. Good for ripping farm ground.
At serial number 46A3044 is when there was some update changes on the D8s.I just can,t remember all the changes and I don,t have parts books on them both to run them down.
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catsilver
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At serial number 46A3044 is when there was some update changes on the D8s.I just can,t remember all the changes and I don,t have parts books on them both to run them down.
I reckon you will find that serial number is a 235hp machine, if my memory serves me correctly, the 46A changed to the 270hp model at 46A10725 around 1965.
Strange that the U/C is measured the opposite to Cat as there was a 100% wear limit to re-use or rebuild, but a 120% wear limit (which would have to be a minus figure expressed thre other way), when it was considered scrap as the life of other components would then be affected, but I suppose quoting the life left is better when you are selling.
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Mike Walsh
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I reckon you will find that serial number is a 235hp machine, if my memory serves me correctly, the 46A changed to the 270hp model at 46A10725 around 1965.
Strange that the U/C is measured the opposite to Cat as there was a 100% wear limit to re-use or rebuild, but a 120% wear limit (which would have to be a minus figure expressed thre other way), when it was considered scrap as the life of other components would then be affected, but I suppose quoting the life left is better when you are selling.
Sorry, missed your comment re trans fluid being milky; kind of tired last night. Sounds like the cooler is leaking. You probably have to invest in a cooler and a drum of oil to find out. I wouldn't pay any more than unprepared scrap, less transportation. It doesn't sound like you have the ability to rebuild the trans yourself. If you have to go through the trans ($15K plus labor to remove and replace assuming no or almost no hard parts) your nightmare has just begun. Then its the torque converter, cross shaft, brakes and clutches. You'll spend at least another $20K. If you have 20,000 hour finals and an engine on its last legs, you're screwed.

You might get lucky but I have a nagging feeling someone patched that transmission. Ask the CAT dealer for the records. What did they do to the trans, if anything? Its not likely they replaced the cooler; if they did the previous owner did not pay attention to the coolant. Either way spells trouble. I can't say this loud enough. Check the filters!! If they are sanitary I would consider paying scrap price for it.

I once looked at a 46A20,xxx that the owner had spent $120K repairing. I expected to see a cream puff. Instead it was unprepared scrap. I was shocked but learned a lesson I had already experienced on a much smaller scale. A piece of equipment can go from a good deal to a money pit in very short order. If you do not plan the entire rebuild from day one, you end up with a piece of scrap that you can't get enough hours out of to recover your investment. If you are buying this for yard art, you probably don't care. If you are buying it to use, rent one for 15-20K a month and get your job done. You'll be money ahead.
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