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Just bought a 1973 D8H and got it rather cheap due to engine coolant issue. Story told is it went to auction running fine but a guy jumped on it cold, fired it up and ran it full bore for 15 minutes and afterward it was using(blowing) coolant out stack. Gent I purchased it from bought it this way and just never got around to fix it. He gave me Cat head gasket kits with machine. Will determine which cylinder and which head has to come off for repairs, What my question is what is common to go wrong. No coolant in oil, doesn't hydraulic engine when sitting. Runs for about 5 minutes before it starts to blow. Not pressurizing rad. Is there anything on exhaust side in head which could leak? Valve? Chamber? Crack? Will teardown in next few weeks but any advice would be appreciated. What is this model engine called? Been an auto mechanic for 25 years but my first crack at something this large. My father-in-law is old heavy duty tech but didn't have much Cat experience but he will help me with it.
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Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:40 AM
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I would think it's a cracked head. That's a D342 engine; a 5.75"bore x 8" stroke engine. They made a million of them but the heads are getting a little scarce. I'd say it's cracked between the exhaust valve and the pre com chamber.

That stuff about running it full out and causing this soon after starting it is BS. Just another auction tale. It probably got hot at some time or the other due to radiator, water pump , fan, operator, or over fueling problems. The heads are the weaker point on these engines rather than the block.

They're not hard to fix. We can help you find the real problem so it'll stay fixed.
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Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:06 AM
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I would think it's a cracked head. That's a D342 engine; a 5.75"bore x 8" stroke engine. They made a million of them but the heads are getting a little scarce. I'd say it's cracked between the exhaust valve and the pre com chamber.

That stuff about running it full out and causing this soon after starting it is BS. Just another auction tale. It probably got hot at some time or the other due to radiator, water pump , fan, operator, or over fueling problems. The heads are the weaker point on these engines rather than the block.

They're not hard to fix. We can help you find the real problem so it'll stay fixed.
Ran machine to further check and it appears to be #1 cylinder and it is pressurizing system and when warmed up coolant quits coming out exhaust but starts to pressurize rad. I am thinking cracked head. #1Cylinder runs 30 - 40 degrees cooler until warmed up than rest. Engine temp goes up to 200 at head according to my infrared thermometer. Temp guage inoperative so will install new one as well as some of the other guages. Machine needs some love but is in good shape and I have a 3 shank 2 barrel ripper to install bought it to level out 14 acres of property. Anyone need a rear mount winch?
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Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:25 AM
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Ran machine to further check and it appears to be #1 cylinder and it is pressurizing system and when warmed up coolant quits coming out exhaust but starts to pressurize rad. I am thinking cracked head. #1Cylinder runs 30 - 40 degrees cooler until warmed up than rest. Engine temp goes up to 200 at head according to my infrared thermometer. Temp guage inoperative so will install new one as well as some of the other guages. Machine needs some love but is in good shape and I have a 3 shank 2 barrel ripper to install bought it to level out 14 acres of property. Anyone need a rear mount winch?
I'd add dropped or cracked liner and pre-com chamber leak to the check-off list. Might be worthwhile doing an air leakdown test before ripping it apart.
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Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:55 AM
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I'd add dropped or cracked liner and pre-com chamber leak to the check-off list. Might be worthwhile doing an air leakdown test before ripping it apart.
That makes it easier to diagnose if it's pressurizing the system. It has to be exhaust gases getting into the cooling system like OM says.

It could be pin holes in the pre com chambers or leaky steel gaskets on them, or more likely a low liner in the block.

OM can talk you through the air test to help diagnose.

It's really not that hard to fix.

How much for the winch?
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Fri, Sep 28, 2012 10:50 AM
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That makes it easier to diagnose if it's pressurizing the system. It has to be exhaust gases getting into the cooling system like OM says.

It could be pin holes in the pre com chambers or leaky steel gaskets on them, or more likely a low liner in the block.

OM can talk you through the air test to help diagnose.

It's really not that hard to fix.

How much for the winch?
Where is the winch?
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Fri, Sep 28, 2012 12:46 PM
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Where is the winch?
Located in South Central BC in Canada. I live 2 hrs north of Spokane Wa and am 1 hr from border. Could deliver to a truck freight company for a buyer. Won't be pulling it for a few weeks. Want to get engine issue sorted first and then mount the ripper. As for price, is it worth 3500 to anyone? At that price I would guarantee it works, I am going to go through it before removal. Will post pics but I guess I will do that in the classified section.
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Sat, Sep 29, 2012 12:05 AM
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Located in South Central BC in Canada. I live 2 hrs north of Spokane Wa and am 1 hr from border. Could deliver to a truck freight company for a buyer. Won't be pulling it for a few weeks. Want to get engine issue sorted first and then mount the ripper. As for price, is it worth 3500 to anyone? At that price I would guarantee it works, I am going to go through it before removal. Will post pics but I guess I will do that in the classified section.
Could be cracked counter bore in block causing liner to drop ,and head gasket to leak as a result of countner bore crack .I have seen many 342 and 353 engines with that problem
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Sat, Sep 29, 2012 2:03 AM
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Could be cracked counter bore in block causing liner to drop ,and head gasket to leak as a result of countner bore crack .I have seen many 342 and 353 engines with that problem
What is usual estimate to repair a dropped liner?
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Sun, Sep 30, 2012 7:34 AM
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What is usual estimate to repair a dropped liner?
Doesn't sound like you have a huge earthworks job ahead of you, I had 3 tractors in my time with D342 engines, my first option would be to try some Chemiweld or Barsleak or such and give the tractor a couple of days good work out and see if it takes up. If it doesn't, my best guess is a cracked head (70%) or one of the other problems (30%). More often than not I found cracked heads, once a cracked liner and once a precom seal ring. You can lift and replace a head in a good afternoon on one of those old buses, just be careful to check out everything carefully, cracks, blown gasket, dropped liner etc. One tractor I had, worked for about 9,000 hrs with a cracked head, would seal up with Barsleak for a number of months (6 or even 20) at a time. you will need to see what the availability of heads for an older non spacer plate motor are, the Italians made plenty years ago. Best of luck, the tractor you have with a little TLC will reward you well, they are a hard to beat tractor. Neil
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Sun, Sep 30, 2012 12:42 PM
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Doesn't sound like you have a huge earthworks job ahead of you, I had 3 tractors in my time with D342 engines, my first option would be to try some Chemiweld or Barsleak or such and give the tractor a couple of days good work out and see if it takes up. If it doesn't, my best guess is a cracked head (70%) or one of the other problems (30%). More often than not I found cracked heads, once a cracked liner and once a precom seal ring. You can lift and replace a head in a good afternoon on one of those old buses, just be careful to check out everything carefully, cracks, blown gasket, dropped liner etc. One tractor I had, worked for about 9,000 hrs with a cracked head, would seal up with Barsleak for a number of months (6 or even 20) at a time. you will need to see what the availability of heads for an older non spacer plate motor are, the Italians made plenty years ago. Best of luck, the tractor you have with a little TLC will reward you well, they are a hard to beat tractor. Neil
Forgot to mention, they have 2 thermostats, just fit 2 new thermostats, they don,t cost a lot and often can be the cause of overheating etc and cracked heads. Neil
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