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D8H 235 vs. 270HP

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I was hoping Old Magnet or one of the other "seasoned" vetrans of this BB could give me the year and SN#'s where the D8H's went from 235 to 270 HP. Is there any easy way when looking at the machines from a distance or in a photo to tell them apart? Also where did the extra horsepower come from? Was it an RPM increase, bore & stroke change, or other? Thanks.
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Mon, Apr 30, 2018 5:56 AM
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Provided they have the stock air cleaners it is easy to tell them apart, the 235 has a vertical air cleaner and the 270's is stuffed under the hood at an angle. Horsepower changed around 1966, OM will know exactly
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Provided they have the stock air cleaners it is easy to tell them apart, the 235 has a vertical air cleaner and the 270's is stuffed under the hood at an angle. Horsepower changed around 1966, OM will know exactly
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Went to 270 hp in 1966 at s/n 12885-up.
FLRPM went from 1240 to 1280 rpm
Rack went from 0.270" to 0.365"
Boost went from 26 to 33 in. hg.
There were internal parts changes as well. Some day I'm going to make a list of all the part number changes.
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Mon, Apr 30, 2018 8:06 AM
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Went to 270 hp in 1966 at s/n 12885-up.
FLRPM went from 1240 to 1280 rpm
Rack went from 0.270" to 0.365"
Boost went from 26 to 33 in. hg.
There were internal parts changes as well. Some day I'm going to make a list of all the part number changes.
HP went to 270 in June 1966, UK built tractors 68A1229 and 22A1250.
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Mon, Apr 30, 2018 3:57 PM
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HP went to 270 in June 1966, UK built tractors 68A1229 and 22A1250.
The D8H is a very interesting tractor to follow through from the first built to the last built. For example in the 46A series they started at 225hp and fuel converter, then somewhere about 3,000 they went to oil converter and 235hp, then at 12885 to 270 hp. My gut feeling is a handful of the last may have even been 300hp even though Caterpillar only ever rated them at 270. Many many improvements were made, heavier final drives, transmission case updates, radiator nose cones, radiators, starting systems, exhaust systems, blade configurations etc. If it was possible to put 46A001 beside a 46A33,000 tractor some of the external changes would be seen very easily, as well an incredible performance/production difference.

For me the D8H was the flagship of the Caterpillar crawler line up, even though they were also producing D9 tractors, it was the D8 that you mainly saw on projects and was the darling of contractors.
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The D8H is a very interesting tractor to follow through from the first built to the last built. For example in the 46A series they started at 225hp and fuel converter, then somewhere about 3,000 they went to oil converter and 235hp, then at 12885 to 270 hp. My gut feeling is a handful of the last may have even been 300hp even though Caterpillar only ever rated them at 270. Many many improvements were made, heavier final drives, transmission case updates, radiator nose cones, radiators, starting systems, exhaust systems, blade configurations etc. If it was possible to put 46A001 beside a 46A33,000 tractor some of the external changes would be seen very easily, as well an incredible performance/production difference.

For me the D8H was the flagship of the Caterpillar crawler line up, even though they were also producing D9 tractors, it was the D8 that you mainly saw on projects and was the darling of contractors.
Definitely my favorite model. Someone can correct me but I also think that a water-to-air aftercooler was added sometime during the 270hp run. Given the hp rating did not change, how did Cat describe what impact that addition had on performance?
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Definitely my favorite model. Someone can correct me but I also think that a water-to-air aftercooler was added sometime during the 270hp run. Given the hp rating did not change, how did Cat describe what impact that addition had on performance?
I went into business with a 235 D8H 36A4093, cable dozer, Letourneau K-30 pull ripper and 463 pull scraper, owned it for 13 years before moving to a D8K, put 16000 hours on it and overhauled everything but the trans, brakes and steering clutches. Lots of hard work in those days, a guy could do several things with one machine and attachments.
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Mon, Apr 30, 2018 9:37 PM
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The D8H is a very interesting tractor to follow through from the first built to the last built. For example in the 46A series they started at 225hp and fuel converter, then somewhere about 3,000 they went to oil converter and 235hp, then at 12885 to 270 hp. My gut feeling is a handful of the last may have even been 300hp even though Caterpillar only ever rated them at 270. Many many improvements were made, heavier final drives, transmission case updates, radiator nose cones, radiators, starting systems, exhaust systems, blade configurations etc. If it was possible to put 46A001 beside a 46A33,000 tractor some of the external changes would be seen very easily, as well an incredible performance/production difference.

For me the D8H was the flagship of the Caterpillar crawler line up, even though they were also producing D9 tractors, it was the D8 that you mainly saw on projects and was the darling of contractors.
[quote="Wombat"]The D8H is a very interesting tractor to follow through from the first built to the last built. For example in the 46A series they started at 225hp and fuel converter, then somewhere about 3,000 they went to oil converter and 235hp, then at 12885 to 270 hp. My gut feeling is a handful of the last may have even been 300hp even though Caterpillar only ever rated them at 270. Many many improvements were made, heavier final drives, transmission case updates, radiator nose cones, radiators, starting systems, exhaust systems, blade configurations etc. If it was possible to put 46A001 beside a 46A33,000 tractor some of the external changes would be seen very easily, as well an incredible performance/production difference.

For me the D8H was the flagship of the Caterpillar crawler line up, even though they were also producing D9 tractors, it was the D8 that you mainly saw on projects and was the darling of contractors.[/quote]

Aaaah, the 46A was power shift from the beginning. It's the 35A that had the fuel converter.
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Definitely my favorite model. Someone can correct me but I also think that a water-to-air aftercooler was added sometime during the 270hp run. Given the hp rating did not change, how did Cat describe what impact that addition had on performance?


No mention of an intercooler or aftercooler in my 46A24433 to last built Parts Book.
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[quote="Wombat"]The D8H is a very interesting tractor to follow through from the first built to the last built. For example in the 46A series they started at 225hp and fuel converter, then somewhere about 3,000 they went to oil converter and 235hp, then at 12885 to 270 hp. My gut feeling is a handful of the last may have even been 300hp even though Caterpillar only ever rated them at 270. Many many improvements were made, heavier final drives, transmission case updates, radiator nose cones, radiators, starting systems, exhaust systems, blade configurations etc. If it was possible to put 46A001 beside a 46A33,000 tractor some of the external changes would be seen very easily, as well an incredible performance/production difference.

For me the D8H was the flagship of the Caterpillar crawler line up, even though they were also producing D9 tractors, it was the D8 that you mainly saw on projects and was the darling of contractors.[/quote]

Aaaah, the 46A was power shift from the beginning. It's the 35A that had the fuel converter.


The early 46A used a diesel converter in the power divider for the power shift transmission.
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Tue, May 1, 2018 1:48 AM
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No mention of an intercooler or aftercooler in my 46A24433 to last built Parts Book.
My bad - K model introduced it in 1980 per Ritchie
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