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magneticanomaly
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I do not know how much of the long saga folks are interested in. I will be happy to tell all, if prompted.

Short story is that my D82U got dropped off at foot of my steep driveway 15 years ago. Brakes were frozen. Jersey box on front instead of blade. Started backing up the 19%grade, and jumped out of gear...or something, I was not driving. Almost rolled away down the hill, but pperator got it stopped. I dd not want to fool with it until I had time to do it safely.

Jump to today.

Pony starts after a lot of cranking, Diesel starts instantly, sounds great, no smoke to notice....

Main engine clutch will not snap in....I think the splines must be frozen because I cannot get movement between pressure plate and clutch cover, and the adjusting ring does not bottom on the disc that bolts to the pressure plate. I did all the prying and pounding I could through the access hole.

But it moves if I hold the clutch lever hard back, and I have to get it home, so off we went The problem with the brakes was mostly frozen pivots, so I can stop it now.

Going well for about 30 yards until the driveway starts to curve...And I cannot steer it for love or money. Apparently steering clutches will not release. So I had to make a hole in the neighbor's fence to get it off far enough to squeeze past it

I have the books...Any tricks to loosen up steering clutches short of taking everything apart?

Thanks for any suggestions!
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Sat, Oct 13, 2018 7:16 AM
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Just what is a Jersey Box? Never heard of that term before. catskinner
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Sat, Oct 13, 2018 9:41 AM
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Just what is a Jersey Box? Never heard of that term before. catskinner
Jersey box is a spreader, a light-duty vee blade with side-walls extending forward to a pair of 10.00-20 pneumatic casters, connected by a cross-bar with steel rollers on it which push the tires of a dumptruck as the dozer spreads the gravel and the truck dumps it into the box. Neater and more controllable, I suppose, than just tailgating the stone.

I'll get pictures next time I go down to work on it...It just came out of the thicket today, where it would have been hard to photograph.

Speaking of the box/blade, it went up but I can't get it to go back down....Is there an adjustment on the CCU for that? I do not think I have a CCU book

Thanks!
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Sat, Oct 13, 2018 10:52 AM
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Jersey box is a spreader, a light-duty vee blade with side-walls extending forward to a pair of 10.00-20 pneumatic casters, connected by a cross-bar with steel rollers on it which push the tires of a dumptruck as the dozer spreads the gravel and the truck dumps it into the box. Neater and more controllable, I suppose, than just tailgating the stone.

I'll get pictures next time I go down to work on it...It just came out of the thicket today, where it would have been hard to photograph.

Speaking of the box/blade, it went up but I can't get it to go back down....Is there an adjustment on the CCU for that? I do not think I have a CCU book

Thanks!
Any way you look at it, you are in for some work. The first thing needed is to get it to flat ground. Sometimes you can get lucky and fill the steering compartments part way with diesel and run it back and forth with the brakes held on hard and get the clutch discs warm enough to break free. Some folks have held the steering clutches back and push up against a tree or something really solid the break them free. If that doesn't work, the steering clutches will need to come out.
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Sat, Oct 13, 2018 11:23 AM
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Any way you look at it, you are in for some work. The first thing needed is to get it to flat ground. Sometimes you can get lucky and fill the steering compartments part way with diesel and run it back and forth with the brakes held on hard and get the clutch discs warm enough to break free. Some folks have held the steering clutches back and push up against a tree or something really solid the break them free. If that doesn't work, the steering clutches will need to come out.
Here are some pics of the beast, stranded half in the driveway.[attachment=51056]D8 rear 14 10 18.jpg[/attachment][attachment=51057]D8 first move left side 14 10 18.jpg[/attachment][attachment=51058]D8 front 14 10 18.jpg[/attachment][attachment=51059]D8 CCU 14 10 18.jpg[/attachment]
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Mon, Oct 15, 2018 3:41 AM
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Here are some pics of the beast, stranded half in the driveway.[attachment=51056]D8 rear 14 10 18.jpg[/attachment][attachment=51057]D8 first move left side 14 10 18.jpg[/attachment][attachment=51058]D8 front 14 10 18.jpg[/attachment][attachment=51059]D8 CCU 14 10 18.jpg[/attachment]
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We need more info on the steering clutches. On my old D8 the linkages were froze up. If you take the cover off and get in there with a bar you may have some success. You only need to get one to work to move it. I am impressed by your tracks. Maybe it was on Jersey box duty it's whole life.
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Mon, Oct 15, 2018 8:24 PM
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We need more info on the steering clutches. On my old D8 the linkages were froze up. If you take the cover off and get in there with a bar you may have some success. You only need to get one to work to move it. I am impressed by your tracks. Maybe it was on Jersey box duty it's whole life.
Linkage only problem is a happy possibility....Is access through the oval sheet-metal covers under the seat, or do fuel tank and trans cover have to come off?

If I want to try the Diesel soak, do I our it in through those covers, or somewhere else? About haw many gal will be needed to half-submerge the clutches?

The tracks do look great. The heavy grousers were obviously welded on. The machine's supposed history includes building some miles of road in the area. I bought it from a limestone quarry.
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Mon, Oct 15, 2018 9:27 PM
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Linkage only problem is a happy possibility....Is access through the oval sheet-metal covers under the seat, or do fuel tank and trans cover have to come off?

If I want to try the Diesel soak, do I our it in through those covers, or somewhere else? About haw many gal will be needed to half-submerge the clutches?

The tracks do look great. The heavy grousers were obviously welded on. The machine's supposed history includes building some miles of road in the area. I bought it from a limestone quarry.
Not sure on oval covers but wherever adjustments are made. My D8 is 1H, older. Liquid would go in there too. There should be drain holes underneath that would have to be plugged.
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Tue, Oct 16, 2018 9:29 PM
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Not sure on oval covers but wherever adjustments are made. My D8 is 1H, older. Liquid would go in there too. There should be drain holes underneath that would have to be plugged.
Well, the beast successfully travelled the half-mile up the driveway to get through our gate and safely onto our property, yesterday.

A friend with a JD 350 chained up to the D-8 drawbar, and dragged me enough sideways to steer the D8 around the gentle curves.

It was around freezing when I started the D8, and I had to ether the pony engine a little, but the Diesel fired right off after about a minute of cranking, and ran fine for the trip.

After about half the distance, I was getting some rusty steam out of the back of the machine, hard to tell exactly from where since I was hauling hard on the main clutch lever all the way to keep it pulling. At a couple of points it seemed as if something was starting to bind. Again I can't tell what it might have been. My indications were slight increase in engine sound, and the first time, a groaning from the rear. I stopped, ran forward thirty feet, and resumed backing.

I won't have time to do much more to the machine this fall. But I have a couple of questions.

Soaking steering clutches. What/where do I have to do about drains in the compartment? Pipe plugs? Inner-tube and bolted-plate covers?

The book says that to remove them (after removing gear cover and ring gear bearing caps) you have to loosen bolts that connect to pinion flanges, through access holes in sides of final drive housings, which look to be under the track and just ahead of the sprockets. Is there an easier way?

I have gone through the pony carburetor and magneto a couple of times, and changed spark plugs. Any tuneup tips to make it easier to start?
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Mon, Oct 22, 2018 10:19 PM
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Sure you didn't have a brake locked? Usually it is a press the pedal and flip a latch to hold it type setup, but I haven't ever seen an old D8. Of course the brake linkage pins and pivots could be frozen up as well, keeping the brake band tight on the drum. Not having recent experience with the machine you probably wouldn't have noticed a "not quite locked" brake.

The method to remove the steering clutches described in the manual IS the easy way! The alternatives as designed into the D4 and D2 are much more labor intensive.

Most steering clutch compartment plugs I have run across are pipe thread. No idea what a D8 would use.
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Tue, Oct 23, 2018 7:46 AM
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Sure you didn't have a brake locked? Usually it is a press the pedal and flip a latch to hold it type setup, but I haven't ever seen an old D8. Of course the brake linkage pins and pivots could be frozen up as well, keeping the brake band tight on the drum. Not having recent experience with the machine you probably wouldn't have noticed a "not quite locked" brake.

The method to remove the steering clutches described in the manual IS the easy way! The alternatives as designed into the D4 and D2 are much more labor intensive.

Most steering clutch compartment plugs I have run across are pipe thread. No idea what a D8 would use.
The minute I saw the word spreader, I knew then just what it was but have never heard it called a Jersey Box before.

Before you go messing with the CCU drums, get some good stout blocking under that blade. You go messing around trying to adjust that unit, it can come down before you can blink a eye lid. It might be too that the discs are rusted together and that is why it came up. Also be sure you are pushing on the correct lever to release the brake on the right drum. Maybe OM can post the instructions on how to adjust the unit for you if you don't have a manual. The adjustment for the brake is on the right side of the case, up under where the cable comes out. You have to get down and look up in order to see the roller and the lever. catskinner
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Tue, Oct 23, 2018 10:04 AM
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