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OldRedTim
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Hello. First post here. I have the opportunity to purchase a Caterpillar D8G 15A from my boss. Needs a bit of engine work.

He also has a D8H he is doing some work to. Converting the single cylinder front end to a twin cylinder. A parts D8H was bought to rob parts off of.

My question is, will any internal engine parts on the D8H work on the D8G?

Depending on what I find wrong with the engine in the D8G I may need a piston. I do know I need two push rods.

The serial number on the D8G is 15A2713. When would it have been built?
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Tue, May 10, 2016 9:14 PM
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15A2713 was built in 1957. The D8H is the same D342 engine but depending on hp changes and s/n some parts may not interchange.
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Tue, May 10, 2016 9:42 PM
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15A2713 was built in 1957. The D8H is the same D342 engine but depending on hp changes and s/n some parts may not interchange.
Thanks for the information. This is probably going to be my first piece of heavy equipment I buy.
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Tue, May 10, 2016 11:10 PM
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Reply to OldRedTim:
Thanks for the information. This is probably going to be my first piece of heavy equipment I buy.
Welcome aboard OldRedTim, the D8G 15A has a fuel-driven torque converter and a clutch. That set-up is the forerunner to the powershift transmission. I think you might need to locate a "Operation and Maintenance Instructions" book. That book along with a Parts Book and Service Manual are sometimes available on ebay. The price of the books is small compared to the cost of mistakes that can be made for lack of information.
Happy Dozin' :cool2:
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Wed, May 11, 2016 12:42 AM
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Welcome aboard OldRedTim, the D8G 15A has a fuel-driven torque converter and a clutch. That set-up is the forerunner to the powershift transmission. I think you might need to locate a "Operation and Maintenance Instructions" book. That book along with a Parts Book and Service Manual are sometimes available on ebay. The price of the books is small compared to the cost of mistakes that can be made for lack of information.
Happy Dozin' :cool2:
Craig
The D8H series tractor although fitted with the same D342 series engine has many parts that differ from the 14A-15A D342's the most evident item being the Exhaust Manifold and T/charger, only a few parts will readily swap so look hard at what you intend fitting, crank bearing width changes with H.P. rate it would be safer to say the small end bushings are good to go, all the other bits Double Check with measurements and visual inspection, the clutch is only single plate and is engaged at low speed so keep in your mind its easy damaged if driven like a Direct Drive tractor.
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Wed, May 11, 2016 3:12 AM
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Welcome aboard OldRedTim, the D8G 15A has a fuel-driven torque converter and a clutch. That set-up is the forerunner to the powershift transmission. I think you might need to locate a "Operation and Maintenance Instructions" book. That book along with a Parts Book and Service Manual are sometimes available on ebay. The price of the books is small compared to the cost of mistakes that can be made for lack of information.
Happy Dozin' :cool2:
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I have a parts number book and a service manual. I'm on the hunt for a maintenance and operation manual.

I do know after I get the engine straightened out the steering clutches need some adjustment.

My buying this bulldozer depends on what all is wrong with the engine.
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Wed, May 11, 2016 3:34 AM
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I have a parts number book and a service manual. I'm on the hunt for a maintenance and operation manual.

I do know after I get the engine straightened out the steering clutches need some adjustment.

My buying this bulldozer depends on what all is wrong with the engine.
I am told naturally aspirated engines have high compression pistons and turbo engines have low compression pistons. You may find pistons are not inter changeable.
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Wed, May 11, 2016 6:26 AM
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I am told naturally aspirated engines have high compression pistons and turbo engines have low compression pistons. You may find pistons are not inter changeable.
Hadn't thought about the pistons being different.


Now for the back story. My boss has this old cable blade D8 that I've always liked. He had a bunch of land clear cut and decided to turn it into pasture land. This dozer has generally been a good runner. He was out pushing up stump piles and it started rolling out smoke and what he thinks is oil from the #3 cylinder. It was driven back to the barn and parked.

After a while it was determined that all the valves were out of spec for lash. The two push rods for the #3 cylinder were found to be bent. He thinks there's a hole in the piston or its cracked. But there is no noticeable blowby.

At my suggestion the #3 injector was changed out. Valve lash adjusted and the engine refired. Still smoking, still spitting oil or fuel out the exaughst. (I now think it's fuel)


Went out this evening and checked out all the injectors by taking the lines loose from all the injectors and dribbling a little fuel in each injector. Bumped the engine over with the decompression lever set to "run" had bubbles form in one of the other injectors.

I guess my next step would be to have all the injectors checked out by a shop to double check and go from there.

I'm going through the engine to see how bad it is before I make a offer on it.
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Wed, May 11, 2016 9:24 AM
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Reply to Wombat:
I am told naturally aspirated engines have high compression pistons and turbo engines have low compression pistons. You may find pistons are not inter changeable.
Hadn't thought about the pistons being different.


Now for the back story. My boss has this old cable blade D8 that I've always liked. He had a bunch of land clear cut and decided to turn it into pasture land. This dozer has generally been a good runner. He was out pushing up stump piles and it started rolling out smoke and what he thinks is oil from the #3 cylinder. It was driven back to the barn and parked.

After a while it was determined that all the valves were out of spec for lash. The two push rods for the #3 cylinder were found to be bent. He thinks there's a hole in the piston or its cracked. But there is no noticeable blowby.

At my suggestion the #3 injector was changed out. Valve lash adjusted and the engine refired. Still smoking, still spitting oil or fuel out the exaughst. (I now think it's fuel)


Went out this evening and checked out all the injectors by taking the lines loose from all the injectors and dribbling a little fuel in each injector. Bumped the engine over with the decompression lever set to "run" had bubbles form in one of the other injectors.

I guess my next step would be to have all the injectors checked out by a shop to double check and go from there.

I'm going through the engine to see how bad it is before I make a offer on it.
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Wed, May 11, 2016 9:51 AM
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Hadn't thought about the pistons being different.


Now for the back story. My boss has this old cable blade D8 that I've always liked. He had a bunch of land clear cut and decided to turn it into pasture land. This dozer has generally been a good runner. He was out pushing up stump piles and it started rolling out smoke and what he thinks is oil from the #3 cylinder. It was driven back to the barn and parked.

After a while it was determined that all the valves were out of spec for lash. The two push rods for the #3 cylinder were found to be bent. He thinks there's a hole in the piston or its cracked. But there is no noticeable blowby.

At my suggestion the #3 injector was changed out. Valve lash adjusted and the engine refired. Still smoking, still spitting oil or fuel out the exaughst. (I now think it's fuel)


Went out this evening and checked out all the injectors by taking the lines loose from all the injectors and dribbling a little fuel in each injector. Bumped the engine over with the decompression lever set to "run" had bubbles form in one of the other injectors.

I guess my next step would be to have all the injectors checked out by a shop to double check and go from there.

I'm going through the engine to see how bad it is before I make a offer on it.
What should I look for as the cause of the two bent pushrods?
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Wed, May 11, 2016 10:51 PM
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i've seen excessive ether use bend pushrods, doesn't make 100% sense to me how it happens but that was the what was determined as the root cause. usually causes piston ring damage as well.

if you get it running properly does the price go up?
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Thu, May 12, 2016 4:32 AM
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