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magneticanomaly
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I have D8 2U16403, patiently waiting for me to get around to bringing her the last mile home. She sits where she was unloaded from a trailer, was backing up my 19% grade and slipped out of gear. The neighbor driving her got her stopped before she went over the bank (no blade on), and I have been waiting to get around to fixing the brakes and maybe figuring out why she jumps out of gear, before I resume backing up the hill.

So a fellow nearby told me recently that dozers of that age do not oil the final drives, in reverse, so you cannot travel far in reverse without damaging them. Seems unlikely to me, but I figure I should ask the experts. I have a good way to go between fences before I could turn around.

Is there any truth to this?

Thanks for any help!
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Sun, Dec 10, 2017 1:00 PM
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What a load of rubbish, the D8H had pressure lubed final drives, mainly to feed the outer bearings, the 2U did not and would throw oil around in reverse as well as forward.
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Sun, Dec 10, 2017 5:04 PM
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What a load of rubbish, the D8H had pressure lubed final drives, mainly to feed the outer bearings, the 2U did not and would throw oil around in reverse as well as forward.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Caterpillar-D8-Tractor-Operation-Maintenance-Instruction-Manual-1H1350-8R1-2U1/351981328508?hash=item51f3b8d87c:g:7qUAAOSwtfhYogOq
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Sun, Dec 10, 2017 9:20 PM
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On the D8H the pump ran off the reduction gear if I remember correctly, now in reverse the pump would turn backwards so did it lube in reverse? I know we used to think it didn't but I really don't know for sure.
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Sun, Dec 10, 2017 10:05 PM
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On the D8H the pump ran off the reduction gear if I remember correctly, now in reverse the pump would turn backwards so did it lube in reverse? I know we used to think it didn't but I really don't know for sure.
Thanks, Catsilver, that makes sense. One thing I can cross off from the bottom of my worry list.
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Sun, Dec 10, 2017 10:14 PM
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On the D8H the pump ran off the reduction gear if I remember correctly, now in reverse the pump would turn backwards so did it lube in reverse? I know we used to think it didn't but I really don't know for sure.


I was told by a Cat dealer technician who I was helping change a final drive lube pump on a D9 G, that one should keep in mind that while in reverse for a "long" distance, the finals would not be getting lubed.

JanM
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Sun, Dec 10, 2017 10:39 PM
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I was told by a Cat dealer technician who I was helping change a final drive lube pump on a D9 G, that one should keep in mind that while in reverse for a "long" distance, the finals would not be getting lubed.

JanM
Hey Team,

I had a D7 that would pop out of gear. If I remember correctly, there was an adjustment on the clutch to the tranny that can be adjusted that keeps it locked in gear while clutch is engaged.
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Sun, Dec 10, 2017 10:57 PM
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On the D8H the pump ran off the reduction gear if I remember correctly, now in reverse the pump would turn backwards so did it lube in reverse? I know we used to think it didn't but I really don't know for sure.


There is a check valve in the system that prevents the pump from picking up oil from the dirty side of the filter when operating in reverse.
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Sun, Dec 10, 2017 11:03 PM
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I was told by a Cat dealer technician who I was helping change a final drive lube pump on a D9 G, that one should keep in mind that while in reverse for a "long" distance, the finals would not be getting lubed.

JanM
[quote="janmeermans"]I was told by a Cat dealer technician who I was helping change a final drive lube pump on a D9 G, that one should keep in mind that while in reverse for a "long" distance, the finals would not be getting lubed.

JanM[/quote] This is my understanding also, there is merit to the OP statement it just doesn't apply to early D8 splash lubed finals.
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Mon, Dec 11, 2017 12:10 AM
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[QUOTE=magneticanomaly;197789]I have D8 2U16403, patiently waiting for me to get around to bringing her the last mile home. She sits where she was unloaded from a trailer, was backing up my 19% grade and slipped out of gear. The neighbor driving her got her stopped before she went over the bank (no blade on), and I have been waiting to get around to fixing the brakes and maybe figuring out why she jumps out of gear, before I resume backing up the hill.

There are no adjustments for the interlock mechanism. Shift positions are controlled by spring loaded plungers. A swinging gate allows only one shifter shaft to move at a time. If there is a problem with popping out of gear it is due to worn or stuck plunges, springs or wear to the sleeve assembly that locks the plungers.
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Mon, Dec 11, 2017 12:18 AM
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[QUOTE=magneticanomaly;197789]I have D8 2U16403, patiently waiting for me to get around to bringing her the last mile home. She sits where she was unloaded from a trailer, was backing up my 19% grade and slipped out of gear. The neighbor driving her got her stopped before she went over the bank (no blade on), and I have been waiting to get around to fixing the brakes and maybe figuring out why she jumps out of gear, before I resume backing up the hill.

There are no adjustments for the interlock mechanism. Shift positions are controlled by spring loaded plungers. A swinging gate allows only one shifter shaft to move at a time. If there is a problem with popping out of gear it is due to worn or stuck plunges, springs or wear to the sleeve assembly that locks the plungers.
Hate to paint a gloomy picture but when the 14A's we used to run would jump out of gear it meant tranny time, there would be enough clearance in the shifting cluster that they would not stay in gear no matter what once they jumped out, hopefully yours is with the inner lock and you will luck out.
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Mon, Dec 11, 2017 12:44 AM
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