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I have a d8 2u serial 21902 that has 1 and 2nd forward gears out. Shop has looked into the trans and says there are things chewed up in there and no oil. All reverse gears work. I bought this machine for a parts for my other d8 2u serial number 17234. I only loaded it on the trailer and sent it to the shop, and have not run it any more than that. 17234 is being used but undercarriage is pretty bad and one final leaks pretty bad. It has already had a link taken out of both sides and I am out of adjustment for one side. 21902 is the better machine if it didn't have trans issue. It has the direct diesel start, (no pony motor) wet clutch and near perfect undercarriage but sprockets need weld in cups. I know I can switch tracks and rollers over to 17234 but I would really like to fix 21902. I think these two machines have two different transmission groups, so I can't switch the internals over. Are parts still available for these transmissions? I would probably have to pay the shop to do the work as I think it would be over my skill level. I know its a long shot but if I could find another parts machine with a trans that is compatible. How hard would it be to just take all the gears out as a set and put them into 21902?
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Fri, Feb 6, 2015 10:56 AM
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You are correct, there is both a transmission gear and case change at s/n 2U21513. To do a gear swap you need to find compatible units. With the right interchange units it's still quite a job but doable.
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Fri, Feb 6, 2015 1:23 PM
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You are correct, there is both a transmission gear and case change at s/n 2U21513. To do a gear swap you need to find compatible units. With the right interchange units it's still quite a job but doable.
I think that you will find that the very late serial number D8 2U tractors are basically the same as a 13A series, maybe look for compatible parts or complete transmission from a 13A, the high serial number 2U will be the much better tractor to restore and keep.
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Sat, Feb 7, 2015 3:19 PM
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I think that you will find that the very late serial number D8 2U tractors are basically the same as a 13A series, maybe look for compatible parts or complete transmission from a 13A, the high serial number 2U will be the much better tractor to restore and keep.
I didn't compare all the gear sets but the 8F4489 case change at 2U21513 is good through the end of 2U production and all of the 13A's.
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Sat, Feb 7, 2015 11:44 PM
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I didn't compare all the gear sets but the 8F4489 case change at 2U21513 is good through the end of 2U production and all of the 13A's.
Can you expand on the gear sets and case changes? If I am understanding what you are saying..... The gears might be a different ratio from 21513 to the end of the 2u production vs what a 13a would have. But 13a gears will definitely be a direct swap into my 21902? If so, I don't mind different ratios at all.
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Sun, Feb 8, 2015 12:49 AM
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Can you expand on the gear sets and case changes? If I am understanding what you are saying..... The gears might be a different ratio from 21513 to the end of the 2u production vs what a 13a would have. But 13a gears will definitely be a direct swap into my 21902? If so, I don't mind different ratios at all.
What would be the estimated time to pull a good set of gears from a trans, pull the bad set from 21902 and put the "new" ones in? Just looking for an estimate as I have no idea.
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Sun, Feb 8, 2015 12:59 AM
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What would be the estimated time to pull a good set of gears from a trans, pull the bad set from 21902 and put the "new" ones in? Just looking for an estimate as I have no idea.
Yes, there are three different ratio sets of gears between 2U2153 and the end of 13A production, all on the same case. As long as you stay within the set your good for interchange.

I really don't know on the time but I'd guess it would keep a couple of guys busy for three to five days. Also depends on what they run into as these machines are 60+ years old.
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Sun, Feb 8, 2015 1:08 AM
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Yes, there are three different ratio sets of gears between 2U2153 and the end of 13A production, all on the same case. As long as you stay within the set your good for interchange.

I really don't know on the time but I'd guess it would keep a couple of guys busy for three to five days. Also depends on what they run into as these machines are 60+ years old.
The shop is going thru the books and doing a part search to see what is out there for replacement parts. Worst case if there is nothing out there and I can't come up with any used parts I have an idea..... Since only 1 and 2 forward gears are out, what about just running it that way. I spent a few hours on 17234 today and did almost all of my work in 3rd gear. What are my chances that the transmission would stay the way it is now? Is it likely that more gears will go out? It appears that a previous owner ran it with little or no oil in the transmission. I think if I use some common sense and don't abuse the clutch I could use 21902 for dirtwork only and can get a lot of use out of it. What do you think?
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Sun, Feb 15, 2015 11:38 AM
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The shop is going thru the books and doing a part search to see what is out there for replacement parts. Worst case if there is nothing out there and I can't come up with any used parts I have an idea..... Since only 1 and 2 forward gears are out, what about just running it that way. I spent a few hours on 17234 today and did almost all of my work in 3rd gear. What are my chances that the transmission would stay the way it is now? Is it likely that more gears will go out? It appears that a previous owner ran it with little or no oil in the transmission. I think if I use some common sense and don't abuse the clutch I could use 21902 for dirtwork only and can get a lot of use out of it. What do you think?
I was told engine has to come out so you can have room to pull that massive front cover complete with the gearshafts out of the chassis case on a 2u to work on the gearbox ?? Knowing that its all one case I believe it; but has anyone here actually rebuilt a later 2U or 13A gearbox ??
just a question for curious minds ???
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Mon, Feb 23, 2015 9:47 AM
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I was told engine has to come out so you can have room to pull that massive front cover complete with the gearshafts out of the chassis case on a 2u to work on the gearbox ?? Knowing that its all one case I believe it; but has anyone here actually rebuilt a later 2U or 13A gearbox ??
just a question for curious minds ???
According to my 2U D 8 Service Reference book To remove the transmission front cover and upper shaft as a unit , pinion shaft and countershaft are removed separtly ,and dissassemblyed
Book says to remove the oil clutch frist before working on the transmission this is for D 8 2U 21513 up
This gives enough room to dissassemble the transmission
13A 1989 UP have tapered roller bearings on the countershaft replacing ball bearings in early D8's
I bought a 2u high serial number for parts ,and may have the gears you need .
1& 2nd gears are located on the bottom shaft ,you need to make sure you need those gears
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