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D8-2u cable broke today. What to use for replacement?

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Snapped my cable in half today at 33 feet, 30 feet on the other end. I am new to this stuff so.... It has a 1/2 inch cable on it but I don't know if it is some special cable or if it what is supposed to be on it? Tractor supply has some 1/2 inch wire rope (6x19 fiber core with 4820 pound working load limit) for 1.39 a foot. It says it has inner material of steel and outer of galvanized steel. I really need to get this thing going again this week and would like to know what you guys think. Will the tractor supply cable work or should I get something else? Thanks for you input.
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Sun, Sep 7, 2014 12:55 PM
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mate as long as it has a iron core not hemp and is not langs lay you should be right I would think

and for those that dont no what langs lay is the strands lay a right angles to the direction of the rope not length ways and they will rifle sheaves real quick I have only ever seen langs lay on lifts or if your in the USA elevators they grip the sheave real well

Paul
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Sun, Sep 7, 2014 4:07 PM
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mate as long as it has a iron core not hemp and is not langs lay you should be right I would think

and for those that dont no what langs lay is the strands lay a right angles to the direction of the rope not length ways and they will rifle sheaves real quick I have only ever seen langs lay on lifts or if your in the USA elevators they grip the sheave real well

Paul
Hi, Crossed.
It is my understanding that Cat used 1/2" steel-cored black - non-galvanized - wire rope on ALL their cable controls. The galvanized 6x19 cable would probably get you going again but if it has a fibre core, it may not last all that long. Pretty much any crane and lifting supplies store should be able to supply the correct cable. Not being familiar with what stores are in your area, I am not in a position to name names but I'd be surprised if nobody pops up shortly with a name or names.

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Sun, Sep 7, 2014 7:33 PM
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Reply to mrsmackpaul:
mate as long as it has a iron core not hemp and is not langs lay you should be right I would think

and for those that dont no what langs lay is the strands lay a right angles to the direction of the rope not length ways and they will rifle sheaves real quick I have only ever seen langs lay on lifts or if your in the USA elevators they grip the sheave real well

Paul
I don't understand how it can be listed as fiber core, then describe it as having a steel core?
Without driving to TSC to see what is actually available, I would agree with mackpaul that a steel cored cable would be more desirable.
As far as cable lay being correct, that is a product of the number of strands making up each individual "rope" plus the number of "ropes" twisted to make the cable diameter.

Is it a 12hr a day working machine?
Or is it needed to do a Show or just do a 2 or 3 day job?
If so, then buy the cable at TSC to do the job at hand.
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Sun, Sep 7, 2014 7:36 PM
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I don't understand how it can be listed as fiber core, then describe it as having a steel core?
Without driving to TSC to see what is actually available, I would agree with mackpaul that a steel cored cable would be more desirable.
As far as cable lay being correct, that is a product of the number of strands making up each individual "rope" plus the number of "ropes" twisted to make the cable diameter.

Is it a 12hr a day working machine?
Or is it needed to do a Show or just do a 2 or 3 day job?
If so, then buy the cable at TSC to do the job at hand.
Cat book calls for 1/2 inch ,6x19filler wire,right lang lay,IWRC pre formed plow steel type,60 feet.
Bob
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Sun, Sep 7, 2014 8:01 PM
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Cat book calls for 1/2 inch ,6x19filler wire,right lang lay,IWRC pre formed plow steel type,60 feet.
Bob
Thanks for the help.
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Sun, Sep 7, 2014 9:21 PM
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Thanks for the help.
The Hemp core cable is not of any use on Winch or cable control units, the centre boss (the bit often found with hemp) should always be steel wire, there is 2 basic styles of cable to be found, Ordinary Ley and Laings Ley (within the U.K.) Ordinary Ley has the single wires wound so they are in alignment with the cable lenght, Laings Ley has the single wires wound in a helix following the twist of the bundle of wires, all CCU's including the blade hoist or scraper etc use 1/2" Laings Ley cable, you can use ordinary ley cable (used on Crane work) but not with a hemp boss, the Boss is the bit inside the cable twist, the CCU's are not often rated on Max line pull usualy only rated on Ft per Min line speed, the usual loading on the winch drum is around the 2 ton (2'000 Kgs') area, the sheave blocks are aranged to reduce the load and the speed as needed to work the equipment in the correct fashion, if you a spending $$$ you need to buy Laings Ley Cable, if you are given any 1/2" cable free then use it as this will sort out what you need to buy in future, it also might be worth checking your sheave blocks for knackered bearings/shafts also grease issues.

Steel hydraulics' its the future! tctractors

p.s. the only thing that damages sheave blocks is the wrong sized cable or the sheaves being worn out or bearings knackered, I work with CCU's all the time usualy pulling Scrapers (Bins)
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Mon, Sep 8, 2014 2:46 AM
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The Hemp core cable is not of any use on Winch or cable control units, the centre boss (the bit often found with hemp) should always be steel wire, there is 2 basic styles of cable to be found, Ordinary Ley and Laings Ley (within the U.K.) Ordinary Ley has the single wires wound so they are in alignment with the cable lenght, Laings Ley has the single wires wound in a helix following the twist of the bundle of wires, all CCU's including the blade hoist or scraper etc use 1/2" Laings Ley cable, you can use ordinary ley cable (used on Crane work) but not with a hemp boss, the Boss is the bit inside the cable twist, the CCU's are not often rated on Max line pull usualy only rated on Ft per Min line speed, the usual loading on the winch drum is around the 2 ton (2'000 Kgs') area, the sheave blocks are aranged to reduce the load and the speed as needed to work the equipment in the correct fashion, if you a spending $$$ you need to buy Laings Ley Cable, if you are given any 1/2" cable free then use it as this will sort out what you need to buy in future, it also might be worth checking your sheave blocks for knackered bearings/shafts also grease issues.

Steel hydraulics' its the future! tctractors

p.s. the only thing that damages sheave blocks is the wrong sized cable or the sheaves being worn out or bearings knackered, I work with CCU's all the time usualy pulling Scrapers (Bins)
If you are able to purchase the correct cable, purchase over double the amount needed and keep the extra cable on your running board. From your front lift sheave on top of the hard nose where the wedge holds the cable in place, string the left over cable along your cable tube by tying with wire and if you have another break its easier to get back to work. I keep a cable cutter in my tool box. If you pull about 20 feet on the CCU through every 100 hours of work time, you will extend your cable life. I find the cable gets mashed in the CCU and it will fray there first.
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Mon, Sep 8, 2014 3:39 AM
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If you are able to purchase the correct cable, purchase over double the amount needed and keep the extra cable on your running board. From your front lift sheave on top of the hard nose where the wedge holds the cable in place, string the left over cable along your cable tube by tying with wire and if you have another break its easier to get back to work. I keep a cable cutter in my tool box. If you pull about 20 feet on the CCU through every 100 hours of work time, you will extend your cable life. I find the cable gets mashed in the CCU and it will fray there first.
Hi Team,
scaned directly from the 24 CCU Grey OMI Book.
Clicking on the scan enlarges it.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Mon, Sep 8, 2014 6:16 AM
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Hi Team,
scaned directly from the 24 CCU Grey OMI Book.
Clicking on the scan enlarges it.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Eddie your onto it thanks for clearing that up for me looks like I was wrong about langs lay wonder what the difference is between left hand lay and right hand lay as in what difference to the rope performance

I was always taught that langs lay is a lot more aggresive and provides a lot more grip and will rifle sheaves easy but having said that it is more flexible

Paul
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Mon, Sep 8, 2014 9:56 AM
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Eddie your onto it thanks for clearing that up for me looks like I was wrong about langs lay wonder what the difference is between left hand lay and right hand lay as in what difference to the rope performance

I was always taught that langs lay is a lot more aggresive and provides a lot more grip and will rifle sheaves easy but having said that it is more flexible

Paul
Hi Paul,
most of what you need to know about said ropes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wire_rope
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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