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I decided after the post by edb that I would re-post the link. It can be a learning thread instead of just bashing me. I'll post some info after his post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UzSwpSs4vw
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Tue, Mar 17, 2020 4:03 AM
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keeps dumping the clutch like that he will be using an axe and shovel
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Tue, Mar 17, 2020 12:01 PM
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keeps dumping the clutch like that he will be using an axe and shovel
Thats the reason "C" frames have crack covers all over them and push braces are bent to hell.
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Tue, Mar 17, 2020 7:55 PM
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Thats the reason "C" frames have crack covers all over them and push braces are bent to hell.
Considering the world around us with a made up crises everyone is a little tense. But guys it is not your tractor that is being abused,please word it with more care. Yes with a oil clutch there is no need for the banging(*). But before the world is normal again I will be looking at lots of different things on the net to view to keep some sanity. An more than likely we chased another away. I am not much good as a teacher but those of us that have spent our lives around equipment need to look at instructing rather than just criticizing. Yes being we don't get much incite about the newbie in many cases we have wasted our time,but give them a chance to learn.





* The oil clutch did come in some time in mid 2u D8 production. I believe,but have been wrong before.
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Tue, Mar 17, 2020 10:44 PM
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Considering the world around us with a made up crises everyone is a little tense. But guys it is not your tractor that is being abused,please word it with more care. Yes with a oil clutch there is no need for the banging(*). But before the world is normal again I will be looking at lots of different things on the net to view to keep some sanity. An more than likely we chased another away. I am not much good as a teacher but those of us that have spent our lives around equipment need to look at instructing rather than just criticizing. Yes being we don't get much incite about the newbie in many cases we have wasted our time,but give them a chance to learn.





* The oil clutch did come in some time in mid 2u D8 production. I believe,but have been wrong before.
I understand Ray, ok to maybe get that one stump out of the way once in a while but some over do it all the time everytime and end up with a wreck of a machine.
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Wed, Mar 18, 2020 12:43 AM
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I understand Ray, ok to maybe get that one stump out of the way once in a while but some over do it all the time everytime and end up with a wreck of a machine.
How does a person properly engage a clutch?

On one hand, it seems like "easing" in would cause wear on the clutch making the clutch eventually start to slip.

On the other hand, more quickly "snapping" it into place may eliminate the slippage wear but probably opens up chances of breaking something.

It seems to me that the fact that you can basically weld the thing back up and get back to business as usual is more proof of the durability of these tractors. These 50+ year old tractors. Most tractors these days and vehicles these days would have to be completely replaced if they were as abused as some people seem to suggest is going on.

Anyways, I am pretty sure there are no businesses or schools around teaching people how to operate 50+ year old tractors, so most people have to learn by doing.
Cat D6 5R
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Wed, Mar 18, 2020 1:27 AM
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I understand Ray, ok to maybe get that one stump out of the way once in a while but some over do it all the time everytime and end up with a wreck of a machine.
I agree too Ray...but bad technique and bad habits are......well....bad !:nono:! :nono:

-and should be corrected ASAP
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Wed, Mar 18, 2020 1:35 AM
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I agree too Ray...but bad technique and bad habits are......well....bad !:nono:! :nono:

-and should be corrected ASAP
I would say the thing to avoid is the shock loading that comes from ramming objects that the tractor cannot readily move by the normal continuous application of tractive effort. Impact force may eventually get the job done, but it comes at a price, and I don’t think it is worth it. Successfully welding up cracks is easier said than done.
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I would say the thing to avoid is the shock loading that comes from ramming objects that the tractor cannot readily move by the normal continuous application of tractive effort. Impact force may eventually get the job done, but it comes at a price, and I don’t think it is worth it. Successfully welding up cracks is easier said than done.
Cat oil clutch's can stand a lot of slipping. Almost like easing into things with the power shift. I had a old Cat mechanic say he had never seen a clutch disc that copper face was worn out. The drive teeth on the out side ware out. That has been the way I have found them. The ones I replaced where the same thickness as the new one. I ran a 9u D6 for 30+ years farming and dozing with it and only adjusted the clutch once or twice. It was my main tractor and had other less than perfect drives never had it slip from letting it slip. So you can be very genital with the rest of the machine by slipping the clutch on a oil clutch.In a situation like pushing the stump you can keep pressure against the stump slipping the clutch and us the blade to lift rather than ramming it.

On the older dry clutch's no they don't really like to be slipped,but they are not hard to repair as compared to other things.
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Wed, Mar 18, 2020 3:47 AM
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Cat oil clutch's can stand a lot of slipping. Almost like easing into things with the power shift. I had a old Cat mechanic say he had never seen a clutch disc that copper face was worn out. The drive teeth on the out side ware out. That has been the way I have found them. The ones I replaced where the same thickness as the new one. I ran a 9u D6 for 30+ years farming and dozing with it and only adjusted the clutch once or twice. It was my main tractor and had other less than perfect drives never had it slip from letting it slip. So you can be very genital with the rest of the machine by slipping the clutch on a oil clutch.In a situation like pushing the stump you can keep pressure against the stump slipping the clutch and us the blade to lift rather than ramming it.

On the older dry clutch's no they don't really like to be slipped,but they are not hard to repair as compared to other things.
[quote="Ray54"]Cat oil clutch's can stand a lot of slipping. Almost like easing into things with the power shift. I had a old Cat mechanic say he had never seen a clutch disc that copper face was worn out. The drive teeth on the out side ware out. That has been the way I have found them. The ones I replaced where the same thickness as the new one. I ran a 9u D6 for 30+ years farming and dozing with it and only adjusted the clutch once or twice. It was my main tractor and had other less than perfect drives never had it slip from letting it slip. So you can be very genital with the rest of the machine by slipping the clutch on a oil clutch.In a situation like pushing the stump you can keep pressure against the stump slipping the clutch and us the blade to lift rather than ramming it.

On the older dry clutch's no they don't really like to be slipped,but they are not hard to repair as compared to other things.[/quote]
Thats another thing to watch, lifting and prying, I have seen spring leafs broken and even hard bars cracked doing that, so easy does it.
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Wed, Mar 18, 2020 4:13 AM
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[quote="Ray54"]Cat oil clutch's can stand a lot of slipping. Almost like easing into things with the power shift. I had a old Cat mechanic say he had never seen a clutch disc that copper face was worn out. The drive teeth on the out side ware out. That has been the way I have found them. The ones I replaced where the same thickness as the new one. I ran a 9u D6 for 30+ years farming and dozing with it and only adjusted the clutch once or twice. It was my main tractor and had other less than perfect drives never had it slip from letting it slip. So you can be very genital with the rest of the machine by slipping the clutch on a oil clutch.In a situation like pushing the stump you can keep pressure against the stump slipping the clutch and us the blade to lift rather than ramming it.

On the older dry clutch's no they don't really like to be slipped,but they are not hard to repair as compared to other things.[/quote]
Thats another thing to watch, lifting and prying, I have seen spring leafs broken and even hard bars cracked doing that, so easy does it.
Hi Team,
Cat and LeTourneau blade operation manuals show tilting the blade by adjusting the side arms, to utilize the end bits to cut the root system around the trunk for easier removal, also to push on the stump as high as possible for more leverage.
We were also taught this at the Army Engineers Plant Operators Course
My 2 bobs worth.
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