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Cdcompton
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Talked to seiscat today he told me where to look in my book and think we came to the conclusion that to remove i need to pull off the dead shaft 5m5032 to the sprocket and to install push off the dead shaft to the sprocket just wanting to double check because im aware of the pressure that it will take to remove and install and dont want to damage the final case. That being said yes i know there is a puller and a press i have looked into hiring it out and it is far out of my budget my book is a reprint if anyone has a good picture of 8m9003 pulling sleeve or 8m9013 and 8m9010 or any other productive advice that has been through this please share.... if i need to pull or push off sprocket shaft/hub 5m5037 please let me know if im reading it wrong...... p.s. thanks for the help today seiscat and appreciate all the other knowledge that I have gained from this site this is a great club to be a member of
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Thu, Dec 5, 2019 8:53 AM
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This is what they show in my book for my D6 5R for pulling off the sprocket.

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What I imagine it does is press on the shaft while pulling on the sprocket.

It looks like it has two arms that grab onto the inner part of the sprocket between the spokes while also having some wedges between the arms and the sprocket to keep the devices arms from moving outwards while it pulls on the sprocket. I think you want the pulling of the sprocket to take place as close to the center of the sprocket as possible.

To me it looks like a bottle jack you would use for a car with grabber arms attached to it.

I don't really know anything about removing the sprockets, so don't just take what I say as fact. Make sure you check with other people first.

In my mind, I sort of wonder if you could attach a heavy duty chain to the sprocket in a similar fashion as the puller and use some kind of winch attached to something heavy to pull it off. I don't know how much pressure you would need to pull it off, but you would want to make sure your tractor was sitting on something pretty solid in case the whole tractor were to shift if you tried pulling the sprocket off that way. However, again, don't try to remove your sprocket that way unless people with some actual experience say it would work or you would want to risk doing it that way.
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Thu, Dec 5, 2019 10:30 AM
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This is what they show in my book for my D6 5R for pulling off the sprocket.

[attachment=56236]P_20191204_191120[1].jpg[/attachment]

What I imagine it does is press on the shaft while pulling on the sprocket.

It looks like it has two arms that grab onto the inner part of the sprocket between the spokes while also having some wedges between the arms and the sprocket to keep the devices arms from moving outwards while it pulls on the sprocket. I think you want the pulling of the sprocket to take place as close to the center of the sprocket as possible.

To me it looks like a bottle jack you would use for a car with grabber arms attached to it.

I don't really know anything about removing the sprockets, so don't just take what I say as fact. Make sure you check with other people first.

In my mind, I sort of wonder if you could attach a heavy duty chain to the sprocket in a similar fashion as the puller and use some kind of winch attached to something heavy to pull it off. I don't know how much pressure you would need to pull it off, but you would want to make sure your tractor was sitting on something pretty solid in case the whole tractor were to shift if you tried pulling the sprocket off that way. However, again, don't try to remove your sprocket that way unless people with some actual experience say it would work or you would want to risk doing it that way.
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If you are wanting to do this type of maintenance and repair, I suggest you first buy a workshop/service manual for your serial number tractor. I suggest second, that it will be much cheaper to hire a press with or without a man than jerry building something. The proper tooling is made of high quality steel, there is machining/threads involved and if you damage the sprocket hub you will be in more trouble than the early settlers, if I remember from other old posts they are not available new.
I am not sure of D7E tonnages, a D8H requires 60/65 tonnes to press sprocket on and I have had up to 80 tonnes before they have let go when pulling them. You pull and push on the sprocket hub after you have first pulled and removed the outer hub. With those sorts of press tonnages things can go wrong in a flash and damage components at best and injure personnel at worst. The service manual will also give all the tolerances that you will need to make sure the sprocket does not press on too far etc.

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Thu, Dec 5, 2019 12:24 PM
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If you are wanting to do this type of maintenance and repair, I suggest you first buy a workshop/service manual for your serial number tractor. I suggest second, that it will be much cheaper to hire a press with or without a man than jerry building something. The proper tooling is made of high quality steel, there is machining/threads involved and if you damage the sprocket hub you will be in more trouble than the early settlers, if I remember from other old posts they are not available new.
I am not sure of D7E tonnages, a D8H requires 60/65 tonnes to press sprocket on and I have had up to 80 tonnes before they have let go when pulling them. You pull and push on the sprocket hub after you have first pulled and removed the outer hub. With those sorts of press tonnages things can go wrong in a flash and damage components at best and injure personnel at worst. The service manual will also give all the tolerances that you will need to make sure the sprocket does not press on too far etc.

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Thanks wombat I do have a service manual and I attached a copy of the page that relates to this. I agree it looks like a big bottle jack and I'm lucky enough to have a lot of really heavy material to make things with and a 465amp welder 😊.. I just am trying to double check the correct place to apply pressure not to tear up my machine the correct depth in installation is .25 inches shy of the spines when pressing the sprocket on I do wish someone had correct puller/press to help me but maccallister cat in indy gave me an estimate of $2600-$4000 just to come press and pull a sprocket and that is unacceptable to me.
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Thu, Dec 5, 2019 6:05 PM
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If you are wanting to do this type of maintenance and repair, I suggest you first buy a workshop/service manual for your serial number tractor. I suggest second, that it will be much cheaper to hire a press with or without a man than jerry building something. The proper tooling is made of high quality steel, there is machining/threads involved and if you damage the sprocket hub you will be in more trouble than the early settlers, if I remember from other old posts they are not available new.
I am not sure of D7E tonnages, a D8H requires 60/65 tonnes to press sprocket on and I have had up to 80 tonnes before they have let go when pulling them. You pull and push on the sprocket hub after you have first pulled and removed the outer hub. With those sorts of press tonnages things can go wrong in a flash and damage components at best and injure personnel at worst. The service manual will also give all the tolerances that you will need to make sure the sprocket does not press on too far etc.

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Do not pull or push sprocket off the dead shaft,you have a chance of either damaging the hub and bearings or busting the housing the dead shaft sits in
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Thu, Dec 5, 2019 6:06 PM
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Do not pull or push sprocket off the dead shaft,you have a chance of either damaging the hub and bearings or busting the housing the dead shaft sits in
So it is the hollow hub shaft that the pressure is put to then bill?
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Thu, Dec 5, 2019 9:31 PM
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So it is the hollow hub shaft that the pressure is put to then bill?
It has been well over 45 years since I worked in a Cat shop - that said -

Pulling Sprockets is not something to be taken lightly and should be only done with proper tooling. I recall the "porta power" set up for pulling those was rated about 100 tons!
One using the tool, always stood behind the Cat (hopefully if something went "south" he was out of harms way), the area was cleared of all personnel. Those sprockets are tight and when they do come loose - generally with a loud "BANG". If a tool slips, hose breaks, sprocket breaks, you do not want to be in the path of those flying projectiles or fluids!

Shortcuts, improvised tooling, are a recipe for disaster when dealing with those pressures and weights. There is a reason for those special tools and training.

First Question - What do you gain by improvised tooling that is quite possibly prone to failure, especially when tried and tested equipment is available? Damage to equipment is repairable or replaceable, but nothing repairs or replaces humans.

Just an opinion, food for thought! You can not enjoy the equipment if you are injured or worse.

Stay Safe out there -

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Fri, Dec 6, 2019 12:53 AM
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So it is the hollow hub shaft that the pressure is put to then bill?
The good is the tapered splines don't ware and wallo,the bad tapered splines fit tight and you need real tools to get it apart.

Sorry my memory is not so good on the details. But I am sure the Cat hydraulic push pull press pictured is 100 ton model it could be more.


Had sprockets done on a 9u D6 in 83. We pulled the whole final drive off the tractor and the mechanic hauled them to big stationary press. I was not there but mechanic was surprised it took more tons than the 2u D8's he was more used to working on. Everything behind the transmission got new bearings. When it was time to press sprockets back on he used the big nut and big hammer. I was on 6 or 8 foot of cheater and he hammered. One side was good the other one leaked. Got a different mechanic that was more retired but had the Cat tooling pictured. Pulled the sprocket and reset the bellows seals. I want to say being old and tired it still was about hour to pull and reset.



But now having a stationary 50 ton press and having never had the gauge past 40+ if something slips and goes flying around LOOK OUT.

So not saying you cannot get it done without the real tools. But saying give it the real careful thought. What is your life worth, flying metal gets deadly long before 100 ton.


Hopefully someone that is more familiar with the D7E will have more input. Find out if you can slide the whole final off the dead shaft like was done on my D6 and take that to Cat's shop. You at least get away from the travel time and other out of shop charges.

I do believe Neil on here did make his own pulling gear for D2 size machines.Good luck but be careful.
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Fri, Dec 6, 2019 1:12 AM
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So it is the hollow hub shaft that the pressure is put to then bill?

Cdcompton, correct tooling is screwed on to end of hub and pressed off that. Ikhow of some blokes that made up there own but still have to have access to a 70t jack or ram at a minimum and that costs big bucks.
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Fri, Dec 6, 2019 3:34 AM
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Cdcompton, correct tooling is screwed on to end of hub and pressed off that. Ikhow of some blokes that made up there own but still have to have access to a 70t jack or ram at a minimum and that costs big bucks.
Yes, as Ray wrote, I had a couple of adapters made up for the D2 but I only had to get up to about 15t to pop them off. Even at that load, I hid behind the other side of the tractor to work the pump : )
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Fri, Dec 6, 2019 7:54 AM
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Yes, as Ray wrote, I had a couple of adapters made up for the D2 but I only had to get up to about 15t to pop them off. Even at that load, I hid behind the other side of the tractor to work the pump : )
The pic is from the D7E Service Manual. To remove the sprocket the ram pushes against the retaining nut which has been loosened @ 1/4" from the sprocket. To install the ram pushes against the 8M9013 adapter which is screwed onto the dead axle.
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There should be an independent shop in your area that has the press equipment and will do the job for less than what your dealer quoted.
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