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hi guys i have a few questions on my d7e 47a3172 1....i checked trans oil under the seat & it was low.so i added 6 gals oil and the level didnt go up? is it leaking out somewhere tho there is no sign of leaking..the final drive level is good.......2 i tried to adjust flywheel brake and the manual said engage clutch? so does that mean stick back or forward? i tried both ways & the output shaft still turns making it hard to select gears..is it hard to change flywheel brake??...3..does anyone know where i can get a shop manual for this machine..thanks
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Tue, Mar 18, 2014 8:20 AM
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Hello wacuda,
You did not state if your D7E still had the starting engine or had been converted to electric start. The mistake most novice operators make with a 47A is trying to rush the starting process. If the tractor still has the original starting engine look at it's exhaust system, note that the exhaust is routed through a separate passage in the main engine intake manifold. This design uses this exhaust to heat the main engine intake for easier starting. Let the starting engine run until it is thoroughly warmed-up before engaging it with the main engine, this will greatly increase starting engine longevity and makes starting the main engine easier.
The old trick for "getting around" your clutch-brake problem is to start the main engine normally with the transmission levers in the neutral, but leave the starting engine idling after the main engine starts. Allow the main engine to warm-up, raise the blade and any implements and then shut the main engine down. With the main clutch disengaged(forward) and transmission and the direction lever(shuttle gear) in the gear desired, re-start the main engine. Operate the machine carefully shifting only the shuttle lever(you must shift quickly) until the oil in the transmission warms-up. Once the oil is warm the tractor will shift normally even with a worn clutch-brake.:cool2:
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Tue, Mar 18, 2014 10:05 PM
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Hello wacuda,
You did not state if your D7E still had the starting engine or had been converted to electric start. The mistake most novice operators make with a 47A is trying to rush the starting process. If the tractor still has the original starting engine look at it's exhaust system, note that the exhaust is routed through a separate passage in the main engine intake manifold. This design uses this exhaust to heat the main engine intake for easier starting. Let the starting engine run until it is thoroughly warmed-up before engaging it with the main engine, this will greatly increase starting engine longevity and makes starting the main engine easier.
The old trick for "getting around" your clutch-brake problem is to start the main engine normally with the transmission levers in the neutral, but leave the starting engine idling after the main engine starts. Allow the main engine to warm-up, raise the blade and any implements and then shut the main engine down. With the main clutch disengaged(forward) and transmission and the direction lever(shuttle gear) in the gear desired, re-start the main engine. Operate the machine carefully shifting only the shuttle lever(you must shift quickly) until the oil in the transmission warms-up. Once the oil is warm the tractor will shift normally even with a worn clutch-brake.:cool2:
[quote="seiscat"]Hello wacuda,
You did not state if your D7E still had the starting engine or had been converted to electric start. The mistake most novice operators make with a 47A is trying to rush the starting process. If the tractor still has the original starting engine look at it's exhaust system, note that the exhaust is routed through a separate passage in the main engine intake manifold. This design uses this exhaust to heat the main engine intake for easier starting. Let the starting engine run until it is thoroughly warmed-up before engaging it with the main engine, this will greatly increase starting engine longevity and makes starting the main engine easier.
The old trick for "getting around" your clutch-brake problem is to start the main engine normally with the transmission levers in the neutral, but leave the starting engine idling after the main engine starts. Allow the main engine to warm-up, raise the blade and any implements and then shut the main engine down. With the main clutch disengaged(forward) and transmission and the direction lever(shuttle gear) in the gear desired, re-start the main engine. Operate the machine carefully shifting only the shuttle lever(you must shift quickly) until the oil in the transmission warms-up. Once the oil is warm the tractor will shift normally even with a worn clutch-brake.:cool2:[/quote]
thanks i noticed after using it for a while that i could shift from forward to reverse about 90% of the time with no grating..so its not a big issue ...but if its an easy fix id like to fix the flywheel brake...anyone here done it ????
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Wed, Mar 19, 2014 7:03 AM
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[quote="seiscat"]Hello wacuda,
You did not state if your D7E still had the starting engine or had been converted to electric start. The mistake most novice operators make with a 47A is trying to rush the starting process. If the tractor still has the original starting engine look at it's exhaust system, note that the exhaust is routed through a separate passage in the main engine intake manifold. This design uses this exhaust to heat the main engine intake for easier starting. Let the starting engine run until it is thoroughly warmed-up before engaging it with the main engine, this will greatly increase starting engine longevity and makes starting the main engine easier.
The old trick for "getting around" your clutch-brake problem is to start the main engine normally with the transmission levers in the neutral, but leave the starting engine idling after the main engine starts. Allow the main engine to warm-up, raise the blade and any implements and then shut the main engine down. With the main clutch disengaged(forward) and transmission and the direction lever(shuttle gear) in the gear desired, re-start the main engine. Operate the machine carefully shifting only the shuttle lever(you must shift quickly) until the oil in the transmission warms-up. Once the oil is warm the tractor will shift normally even with a worn clutch-brake.:cool2:[/quote]
thanks i noticed after using it for a while that i could shift from forward to reverse about 90% of the time with no grating..so its not a big issue ...but if its an easy fix id like to fix the flywheel brake...anyone here done it ????
Not a big deal, you can get a new shoe assembly 9F8979 or if the support is in good shape get a new facing 9F8976=9W3235 and rivets 6B4284 (4-req'd)

Actual facing is sintered bronze 104.9mm long, 38.1mm wide and 4.7mm thick.
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Wed, Mar 19, 2014 7:21 AM
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Not a big deal, you can get a new shoe assembly 9F8979 or if the support is in good shape get a new facing 9F8976=9W3235 and rivets 6B4284 (4-req'd)

Actual facing is sintered bronze 104.9mm long, 38.1mm wide and 4.7mm thick.
Wacuda:
Question #1: the transmission, steering clutch, brake, bevel gear compartment holds 26 gallons of oil. If your level did not change after 6 gallons, maybe you are way low. Is your main engine and flywheel clutch staying at a good level? If the transmission has an external leak it should be easy to spot.

Question #2: I replaced the clutch brake lining on my 47a about 6 months ago. The rivets Cat sold me were about 1/8 or 3/16" too short. Went back and had them double check in case some shorter rivets got put in the wrong bin and they told me they were the right ones. I then took my new clutch lining and shoe/mount assembly to a local old school brake and clutch shop, and they did a jam up job of fixing me up for about $10. To remove clutch brake mount and shoe, one must remove 3@ 3/8" fine thread nuts and a cotter pin and washer as I recall. Engage clutch to keep shoe from binding against band. As a last resort you may have to disconnect the actuator linkage coming from clutch to completely free things up for removal. It was one of the easier things I have done to my machine, and detailed instructions on adjusting it are in service manual.

Good luck.
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Wed, Mar 19, 2014 9:20 AM
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Wacuda:
Question #1: the transmission, steering clutch, brake, bevel gear compartment holds 26 gallons of oil. If your level did not change after 6 gallons, maybe you are way low. Is your main engine and flywheel clutch staying at a good level? If the transmission has an external leak it should be easy to spot.

Question #2: I replaced the clutch brake lining on my 47a about 6 months ago. The rivets Cat sold me were about 1/8 or 3/16" too short. Went back and had them double check in case some shorter rivets got put in the wrong bin and they told me they were the right ones. I then took my new clutch lining and shoe/mount assembly to a local old school brake and clutch shop, and they did a jam up job of fixing me up for about $10. To remove clutch brake mount and shoe, one must remove 3@ 3/8" fine thread nuts and a cotter pin and washer as I recall. Engage clutch to keep shoe from binding against band. As a last resort you may have to disconnect the actuator linkage coming from clutch to completely free things up for removal. It was one of the easier things I have done to my machine, and detailed instructions on adjusting it are in service manual.

Good luck.
[quote="cab"]Wacuda:
Question #1: the transmission, steering clutch, brake, bevel gear compartment holds 26 gallons of oil. If your level did not change after 6 gallons, maybe you are way low. Is your main engine and flywheel clutch staying at a good level? If the transmission has an external leak it should be easy to spot.

Question #2: I replaced the clutch brake lining on my 47a about 6 months ago. The rivets Cat sold me were about 1/8 or 3/16" too short. Went back and had them double check in case some shorter rivets got put in the wrong bin and they told me they were the right ones. I then took my new clutch lining and shoe/mount assembly to a local old school brake and clutch shop, and they did a jam up job of fixing me up for about $10. To remove clutch brake mount and shoe, one must remove 3@ 3/8" fine thread nuts and a cotter pin and washer as I recall. Engage clutch to keep shoe from binding against band. As a last resort you may have to disconnect the actuator linkage coming from clutch to completely free things up for removal. It was one of the easier things I have done to my machine, and detailed instructions on adjusting it are in service manual.

Good luck.[/quote]

i reckon flywheel oil is too high...can trans oil get into flywheel compartment?...eng oil is good...im not sure if previous owner overfilled flywheel compartment or its gaining oil...thanks for your input
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Wed, Mar 19, 2014 10:30 AM
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[quote="cab"]Wacuda:
Question #1: the transmission, steering clutch, brake, bevel gear compartment holds 26 gallons of oil. If your level did not change after 6 gallons, maybe you are way low. Is your main engine and flywheel clutch staying at a good level? If the transmission has an external leak it should be easy to spot.

Question #2: I replaced the clutch brake lining on my 47a about 6 months ago. The rivets Cat sold me were about 1/8 or 3/16" too short. Went back and had them double check in case some shorter rivets got put in the wrong bin and they told me they were the right ones. I then took my new clutch lining and shoe/mount assembly to a local old school brake and clutch shop, and they did a jam up job of fixing me up for about $10. To remove clutch brake mount and shoe, one must remove 3@ 3/8" fine thread nuts and a cotter pin and washer as I recall. Engage clutch to keep shoe from binding against band. As a last resort you may have to disconnect the actuator linkage coming from clutch to completely free things up for removal. It was one of the easier things I have done to my machine, and detailed instructions on adjusting it are in service manual.

Good luck.[/quote]

i reckon flywheel oil is too high...can trans oil get into flywheel compartment?...eng oil is good...im not sure if previous owner overfilled flywheel compartment or its gaining oil...thanks for your input
I don't believe transmission oil can bleed into flywheel clutch housing (capacity 4 1/4 gallons). I have heard of transmission oil leaking into main engine at the transmission oil pump located at right rear of engine. Apparently there is a seal (I have not had mine apart) separating the two and the higher pressure (transmission) can push into main engine.

I am guessing here, but I bet a leaking rear main could let engine oil bleed into flywheel clutch housing.

None of this explains why your transmission is low though. If there isn't an obvious leak you could add until dipstick under seat shows full and then pay closer attention to what it does. Hope you get it figured out.
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