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poor farmer/logger
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Hi everyone, haven't been around for a while but got another question for you.

On My D7E the steel hydraulic lines that go to the cylenders are cracked on both sides. Just the inner ones for some reason. One had been repaird before I bought the cat and the other one cracked while I was out brushcutting this spring. The one we welded this spring has sprung a leak again and the other one has been seeping just a little bit the whole time. Just makes a mess. My question is, is there any reason why I can't cut the lines machine fittings weld them on and just put hoses in place?? I can't really see any but thought I'd check first. Only problem I could think of was snaging a line in a tree. They seem to have a uncany ability to pick on little things like that.lol..

2nd question I guess is what exactly is the pressure on those lines just so I know if I go ahead with the above solution.

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Ryan
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Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:31 AM
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Apparently the only document that tells you the hydraulic pressures for the later tractors is the Hydraulic Controls Service Manual for the 172 & 173 hydraulic controls for the D7E which I don't have. Closest I have is for the 193 unit for the D9G which has a maximun operating pressure of 2450 +/- 25 psi . I would think the D7E would be similar or less.

No reason you can't change to hose if you prefer.
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Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:47 AM
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Apparently the only document that tells you the hydraulic pressures for the later tractors is the Hydraulic Controls Service Manual for the 172 & 173 hydraulic controls for the D7E which I don't have. Closest I have is for the 193 unit for the D9G which has a maximun operating pressure of 2450 +/- 25 psi . I would think the D7E would be similar or less.

No reason you can't change to hose if you prefer.
Thanks old magnet. I didn't think they were that high but I've never seen any literature to back me up so you may very well be right. Just means there's some higher numbers to look at for the cost of the hose.lol..

Still not certain on which controll I have, there's a tag rivited on the top of the tank just ahead of the filter If I remember corectly. Numbers are hard to make out though. They apear to be more of a serial number rather then model number.

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Ryan
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Tue, Jul 6, 2010 10:57 AM
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Reply to poor farmer/logger:
Thanks old magnet. I didn't think they were that high but I've never seen any literature to back me up so you may very well be right. Just means there's some higher numbers to look at for the cost of the hose.lol..

Still not certain on which controll I have, there's a tag rivited on the top of the tank just ahead of the filter If I remember corectly. Numbers are hard to make out though. They apear to be more of a serial number rather then model number.

Thanks

Ryan
hello poor farmer/logger ,the serial number would be good ,i have spec sheets for some pump units ,most i looked though have the relief valve set to about 1500 psi .
one reason the steel line maybe cracking is there not bolted down ,loose clamps causing flexing on the pipe ends,the same problem will cause wearing on the rubber hoses as well ,bruce oz
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Tue, Jul 6, 2010 11:19 AM
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hello poor farmer/logger ,the serial number would be good ,i have spec sheets for some pump units ,most i looked though have the relief valve set to about 1500 psi .
one reason the steel line maybe cracking is there not bolted down ,loose clamps causing flexing on the pipe ends,the same problem will cause wearing on the rubber hoses as well ,bruce oz
Hi Team,
My OMI for the 173--formerly No 46 H/C-- as fitted to D8, D7, &D6 shows for the following S/No's that the max system pressure relief valve is set to 1,000 PSI.
1W,25C,2W,3W,46C,&48C This is a front mounted unit so as you can see a S/No is vital to getting the correct Data. At The Dealer I fitted both front and fender mounted 173's to New Equipment back in the day.
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Eddie B.
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Tue, Jul 6, 2010 11:54 AM
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Reply to edb:
Hi Team,
My OMI for the 173--formerly No 46 H/C-- as fitted to D8, D7, &D6 shows for the following S/No's that the max system pressure relief valve is set to 1,000 PSI.
1W,25C,2W,3W,46C,&48C This is a front mounted unit so as you can see a S/No is vital to getting the correct Data. At The Dealer I fitted both front and fender mounted 173's to New Equipment back in the day.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
The D7E can be a 48C, 24G, 25G, 65G or 67G and a one, two, or three valve system. What is your configuration? Blade only, w/ripper, w/tilt?

The 48C is the old #46 single valve low pressure system.
The 65G & 24G are the later single valve systems (different pump flows)
The 25G is a double valve system
The 67G is a double valve with single valve remote.

It's the later G series systems that require the Service Manual (different for each) to get the specs.

These are all rotary vane pumps so I doubt the pressure would be to high.....1500 psi sounds about right.
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Tue, Jul 6, 2010 1:10 PM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
The D7E can be a 48C, 24G, 25G, 65G or 67G and a one, two, or three valve system. What is your configuration? Blade only, w/ripper, w/tilt?

The 48C is the old #46 single valve low pressure system.
The 65G & 24G are the later single valve systems (different pump flows)
The 25G is a double valve system
The 67G is a double valve with single valve remote.

It's the later G series systems that require the Service Manual (different for each) to get the specs.

These are all rotary vane pumps so I doubt the pressure would be to high.....1500 psi sounds about right.
173 hyd units
The 48C is the old #46 single valve low pressure system.
1175-1225 psi ,110gpm@1200 rpm.
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The 65G & 24G are the later single valve systems (different pump flows)
24G-1475-1525psi,65G-1975-2025psi
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The 25G is a double valve system
1475-1525psi,
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The 67G is a double
external control valve 1175-1225 psi,pump 1975-2025 psi.
bruce oz
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Tue, Jul 6, 2010 2:04 PM
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Reply to bruce oz:
173 hyd units
The 48C is the old #46 single valve low pressure system.
1175-1225 psi ,110gpm@1200 rpm.
.
The 65G & 24G are the later single valve systems (different pump flows)
24G-1475-1525psi,65G-1975-2025psi
.
The 25G is a double valve system
1475-1525psi,
.
The 67G is a double
external control valve 1175-1225 psi,pump 1975-2025 psi.
bruce oz
Thanks Bruce,
I'm curious about where you found the pressures. Do you have the actual service manuals for these controls or some other source?

PFL,
The main flows involved are either 54 gpm or 100gpm for the #48.
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Tue, Jul 6, 2010 10:28 PM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
Thanks Bruce,
I'm curious about where you found the pressures. Do you have the actual service manuals for these controls or some other source?

PFL,
The main flows involved are either 54 gpm or 100gpm for the #48.
Okay, serial number of the crawler is 48A 5134. Don't have the number handy off the tank so I'll run out and try to make it out this afternoon.

It's configured with a blade and ripper valve. No ripper on curently though so it's been blocked off I believe.

I think it's just metal fatigue combined with vibration. The lines are clamped to the cylenders but there's still bound to be some vibration going to them. After 45 years I guess it's to be expected.

Thanks for the numbers everyone.

Ryan
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Wed, Jul 7, 2010 12:51 AM
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Okay, serial number of the crawler is 48A 5134. Don't have the number handy off the tank so I'll run out and try to make it out this afternoon.

It's configured with a blade and ripper valve. No ripper on curently though so it's been blocked off I believe.

I think it's just metal fatigue combined with vibration. The lines are clamped to the cylenders but there's still bound to be some vibration going to them. After 45 years I guess it's to be expected.

Thanks for the numbers everyone.

Ryan
Okay, just got back in again. Number that is on the hyd tank is 34H 2574. There's aslo what I presume is a part number stamped into it. That is 6J 1240-1

Ryan
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Wed, Jul 7, 2010 1:39 AM
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Okay, just got back in again. Number that is on the hyd tank is 34H 2574. There's aslo what I presume is a part number stamped into it. That is 6J 1240-1

Ryan
Well, we managed to pick one that I don't have much info on except for an OM Manual that doesn't give any useful information. It does fall into the 193, 183, 173 groupings with serial numbers 27H1-up, 28H1-up, 34H1-up and 35H1-up. I'm thinking that gets us back near the original 193 info I posted which has a 2250 psi main relief valve that covers the blade and ripper. The tilt cylinder option uses the two section pump with its setting at the 2450 psi.

That 6J number is for the tank only.
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Wed, Jul 7, 2010 3:42 AM
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