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D7e 48a converting from pony to electric start.

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Dalton808
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We're trying to convert our d7e 48a5960
Over from pony start to electric. The machine is new to us, we pulled the pony motor out and found half the ring gear chewed off....:frusty:

From the research I've done, correct me if I'm wrong.
I need a

50mt starter .
Adapter bushing? Found a site that lists a adapter bushing for 50 dollars. Does the 50mt need a adapter to bolt up?

Precups with glowplugs ( engine has two installed. Would that be enough to start on? Motor starts cold on only a few revs without heaters. And starts hot almost instantly.
Plus were in Hawaii so it never gets below 70s.

I have been reading that the pony start engines use a slight helical cut ring gear and that later electric start used a straight cut gear? When replacing should I be looking for a straight cut gear?

Anyhow I'm trying to track down a ring gear. Any direction on where to look would be greatly appreciated!

Any help would be really grand!
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Wed, Jul 6, 2016 4:05 PM
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I'd recommend you replace the existing ring gear and go with the ready to install starter conversion as shown. Just be sure you order with the RH helical drive gear.
Otherwise it takes a 24v 50MT starter, clockwise rotation, a special adapter drive end housing and 11 tooth RH helical drive gear.
Also need to check that the attachment mounting holes are tapped as not all of them are.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-50MT-PONY-MOTOR-REPLACEMENT-STARTER-24VOLT-24V-FITS-CATERPILLAR-D7-D8-D9-/110922514286?hash=item19d37f3f6e:g:lJEAAOSwvgdW2czY&vxp=mtr
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Wed, Jul 6, 2016 11:12 PM
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I'd recommend you replace the existing ring gear and go with the ready to install starter conversion as shown. Just be sure you order with the RH helical drive gear.
Otherwise it takes a 24v 50MT starter, clockwise rotation, a special adapter drive end housing and 11 tooth RH helical drive gear.
Also need to check that the attachment mounting holes are tapped as not all of them are.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-50MT-PONY-MOTOR-REPLACEMENT-STARTER-24VOLT-24V-FITS-CATERPILLAR-D7-D8-D9-/110922514286?hash=item19d37f3f6e:g:lJEAAOSwvgdW2czY&vxp=mtr
Ring gear is a #8M0778. Same one used on 7M, 3T, 17A, 47/48A models.
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Wed, Jul 6, 2016 11:17 PM
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I'd recommend you replace the existing ring gear and go with the ready to install starter conversion as shown. Just be sure you order with the RH helical drive gear.
Otherwise it takes a 24v 50MT starter, clockwise rotation, a special adapter drive end housing and 11 tooth RH helical drive gear.
Also need to check that the attachment mounting holes are tapped as not all of them are.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-50MT-PONY-MOTOR-REPLACEMENT-STARTER-24VOLT-24V-FITS-CATERPILLAR-D7-D8-D9-/110922514286?hash=item19d37f3f6e:g:lJEAAOSwvgdW2czY&vxp=mtr
OM, wouldn't he be better off since he has to change the ring gear anyway to go back with straight cut and get the matching starter? I always thought the starter engaged and disengaged cleaner with straight cut gears. Also eliminates any starter drive confusion.
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Wed, Jul 6, 2016 11:23 PM
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OM, wouldn't he be better off since he has to change the ring gear anyway to go back with straight cut and get the matching starter? I always thought the starter engaged and disengaged cleaner with straight cut gears. Also eliminates any starter drive confusion.
That is an option but my parts book shows a different flywheel assembly for the straight cut gear. I'm not convinced they interchange or that you can just interchange the ring gear. Also the starter required takes the long nose drive end housing and special adapter if you go straight cut. With those unknowns I'd go with the conversion. Engagement is not an issue.
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Wed, Jul 6, 2016 11:42 PM
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That is an option but my parts book shows a different flywheel assembly for the straight cut gear. I'm not convinced they interchange or that you can just interchange the ring gear. Also the starter required takes the long nose drive end housing and special adapter if you go straight cut. With those unknowns I'd go with the conversion. Engagement is not an issue.


Thanks for the info OM. I think I'll try to source a ring OE ring gear and go with the starter you suggested. Do those slight helix starter/ring gears ever act up or act up faster then straight cut?
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Thu, Jul 7, 2016 1:18 AM
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Thanks for the info OM. I think I'll try to source a ring OE ring gear and go with the starter you suggested. Do those slight helix starter/ring gears ever act up or act up faster then straight cut?
Not a problem that I am aware of. Might be a little harder on the older inertia drive starters but that's not what your are dealing with. I'd say thousands of tractors have been converted with no where near the problems of the pony drive pinions and ring gear mesh.
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Thu, Jul 7, 2016 2:29 AM
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Not a problem that I am aware of. Might be a little harder on the older inertia drive starters but that's not what your are dealing with. I'd say thousands of tractors have been converted with no where near the problems of the pony drive pinions and ring gear mesh.
Either way you will be happy with the conversion, I've done 2 D8H's one with the original ring gear, one was chewed up like yours so went with the straight cut. Warm up the gear with a rose bud and drop on the flywheel. Nice to eliminate all those moving parts of the starting engine.
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Fri, Jul 8, 2016 9:45 PM
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Either way you will be happy with the conversion, I've done 2 D8H's one with the original ring gear, one was chewed up like yours so went with the straight cut. Warm up the gear with a rose bud and drop on the flywheel. Nice to eliminate all those moving parts of the starting engine.
Did you check or know for sure that you are getting full starter drive engagement with the straight cut ring gear that was substituted for the original beveled gear?
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Sat, Jul 9, 2016 4:11 AM
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Did you check or know for sure that you are getting full starter drive engagement with the straight cut ring gear that was substituted for the original beveled gear?
Say Dalton, can you keep track of your costs and maybe post some photo's here on your project? I'm on the fence which way to go with my 48A as it needs a pony rebuild or this very conversion. I would like to hear more about this from someone who is doing it first hand if I could. Any other issues you run into as well would be helpful. Please and Thank you!!
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Sat, Jul 9, 2016 8:31 PM
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Did you check or know for sure that you are getting full starter drive engagement with the straight cut ring gear that was substituted for the original beveled gear?
We used the same parts as the factory direct start, I don't remember checking it has been 20 years ago and as far as I know the system is still working fine.
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