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D7D 17A Equalizer Spring Group

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Inter674
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Hi

looking for some advice.

We pulled the belly pan off the D7 and removed a half ton of dirt and saw that the jocky spring which sits in front of the giant equaliser spring is completely missing.

Question: does this really matter and should I look for another - which will be difficult to find and expensive I presume?

I presume it has been gone for many years and it looks like the mounting brackets have been cut off and/or have sheared off. The track frame movement is now being limited by the equaliser spring hitting out on the belly pan and it seems to have been doing this for a long time as the previous owner did nothing major to this machine for over 10 years.

From the parts book the jocky spring look tiny compared to the main spring and I wonder how on earth it can add much to the system being so small.

Thanks in advance.
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Fri, May 22, 2015 4:12 PM
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dunno mate my old 3T was and still is the same I rang around this wide brown land no luck so I put the call out and Garlic Pete has one for me on the way one day I have been told dosnt matter but I feel its gotta be important otherwise why would they put it there
with out the pan on there is nothing to stop you do a big wheelie that I can see but I could be wrong

Paul
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Fri, May 22, 2015 4:53 PM
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dunno mate my old 3T was and still is the same I rang around this wide brown land no luck so I put the call out and Garlic Pete has one for me on the way one day I have been told dosnt matter but I feel its gotta be important otherwise why would they put it there
with out the pan on there is nothing to stop you do a big wheelie that I can see but I could be wrong

Paul
That spring is important. It keeps the engine from lifting up and flipping backwards.
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Fri, May 22, 2015 7:54 PM
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That spring is important. It keeps the engine from lifting up and flipping backwards.
Yes , I agree this warning ! The complete main frame can turn over and this movement can be made very fast !!!!!!
The Netherlands , johan7
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Fri, May 22, 2015 8:48 PM
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Yes , I agree this warning ! The complete main frame can turn over and this movement can be made very fast !!!!!!
The Netherlands , johan7
I think I'm right about this. The little springs keep the main spring centered. The brackets that the little spring are mounted on will keep the engine from flipping over backwards.....as long as the main spring isn't broken all to kingdom come.
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Sat, May 23, 2015 12:28 AM
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I think I'm right about this. The little springs keep the main spring centered. The brackets that the little spring are mounted on will keep the engine from flipping over backwards.....as long as the main spring isn't broken all to kingdom come.
Check your s/n and parts book. There are two distinctly different spring saddle and shackle arrangements and yes, it is critical.
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Sat, May 23, 2015 12:54 AM
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Check your s/n and parts book. There are two distinctly different spring saddle and shackle arrangements and yes, it is critical.
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thanks for the advice.

I agree with the flipping over risk wrt eg., D2 and D4 7U's but think the 7 is safer becasue it has the cable attached from the hard nose to the blade. So at least there is some sort of safety fuse there. The main spring is also encapsulated by the belly pan and the end of the main spring fits under the recoil spring guide frame. So there's another level of safety there. A third level is that I am far too timid to ever put this machine into any scarey situations - I like life far too much for that😊

I noticed a few threads on replacing the equaliser spring with a solid bar and might give some thought to that as a solution. In the meantime I will see if I can get one locally.

PS the main spring centering theory sounds right too as I notice clumps of steel have been welded on the end of the main spring leaf which is about 7" x 3/4" thick to stop is sliding sideways.

Thanks again for the advice.
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Sat, May 23, 2015 4:34 AM
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Reply to Inter674:
thanks for the advice.

I agree with the flipping over risk wrt eg., D2 and D4 7U's but think the 7 is safer becasue it has the cable attached from the hard nose to the blade. So at least there is some sort of safety fuse there. The main spring is also encapsulated by the belly pan and the end of the main spring fits under the recoil spring guide frame. So there's another level of safety there. A third level is that I am far too timid to ever put this machine into any scarey situations - I like life far too much for that😊

I noticed a few threads on replacing the equaliser spring with a solid bar and might give some thought to that as a solution. In the meantime I will see if I can get one locally.

PS the main spring centering theory sounds right too as I notice clumps of steel have been welded on the end of the main spring leaf which is about 7" x 3/4" thick to stop is sliding sideways.

Thanks again for the advice.
It's the auxiliary spring and shackles that keep the main spring snugged up to the support bracket. I've seen them flop around to the point of cutting through the main spring U-bolts. Even at best that spring seat takes a beating.
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Sat, May 23, 2015 5:12 AM
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It's the auxiliary spring and shackles that keep the main spring snugged up to the support bracket. I've seen them flop around to the point of cutting through the main spring U-bolts. Even at best that spring seat takes a beating.
Now I am far from being an expert but I get the feeling that when the machine goes over backwards like in Oldmagnets photo you get next to no warning a bit like a wheel tractor going over backwards it all happens to quick and not many people live to tell the tale

Paul
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Sat, May 23, 2015 6:15 AM
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