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Hello
I am new to this forum, this is my first post.
I have a 17a d7 that I am in the process of doing some final drive repairs on. The reason I tore it down was because I noticed that the sprocket had been run loose on the splines. Upon disassembly, the splines actually don't appear to be damaged. My cat manual doesn't have any dimensions as to how far onto the splined shaft the sprocket is allowed to be pressed, they give a spec of 50 tons.
Even though the splines look good, I would like to be able to check to make sure that the sprocket doesn't press too far onto the shaft without assembling everything, just to avoid having to tear it all down again. I have a 50 ton press I can fit it in, I just need to know how far onto the splines the sprocket usually goes with 50 tons on it. When I just set the sprocket on the shaft, the splines of the sprocket stop about flush with the splines on the shaft.

Thanks for the help,
Jim
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Mon, Dec 18, 2017 10:54 AM
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I checked my 17A service manual and "Cat Master Specs" and can not find the specs for the 17A.
I did find for the 47/48A dimension "A" being 0.440" to .0560"
Also the D6C 10K at 0.281" +/- 0.060"
I'd guess the 17A should be somewhere in between, important that there be overlap and sprocket splines flush with hub splines would not be acceptable.
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Mon, Dec 18, 2017 1:50 PM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
I checked my 17A service manual and "Cat Master Specs" and can not find the specs for the 17A.
I did find for the 47/48A dimension "A" being 0.440" to .0560"
Also the D6C 10K at 0.281" +/- 0.060"
I'd guess the 17A should be somewhere in between, important that there be overlap and sprocket splines flush with hub splines would not be acceptable.
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If your Sprocket was running loose on the Hub this near always means 2 things, firstly that the assembly was not done correctly before, secondly the Hub and Sprocket are not fit to re-use, it might be worth trying the sprocket on another hub but there should be a margin after pressing up together between the 2 items, the standard found in the Service Manual is for good as New components, it can be a lot smaller depth without causing any trouble, but flush or past the splines is to far in that will cause trouble with the seals, the Dead Shaft also needs looking at to check the Key is in the 12 O'clock position and not loose in the taper. tctractors
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Mon, Dec 18, 2017 2:39 PM
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Reply to tctractors:
If your Sprocket was running loose on the Hub this near always means 2 things, firstly that the assembly was not done correctly before, secondly the Hub and Sprocket are not fit to re-use, it might be worth trying the sprocket on another hub but there should be a margin after pressing up together between the 2 items, the standard found in the Service Manual is for good as New components, it can be a lot smaller depth without causing any trouble, but flush or past the splines is to far in that will cause trouble with the seals, the Dead Shaft also needs looking at to check the Key is in the 12 O'clock position and not loose in the taper. tctractors
OK, found the spec under the 977H (53A) loader.
Dimension "A" should be 0.220" to 0.300"
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Tue, Dec 19, 2017 12:40 AM
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OK, found the spec under the 977H (53A) loader.
Dimension "A" should be 0.220" to 0.300"
O.M's Spec target measurement is for new components or as new, after a few years of hard work things tend to change, as long as the hub spline stays inwards of the sprocket spline the seals will work fine and go on for many years, the D7 Target is about the same as the D8 at a 1/4 inch dip. tctractors
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Tue, Dec 19, 2017 4:09 AM
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OK, found the spec under the 977H (53A) loader.
Dimension "A" should be 0.220" to 0.300"
Thank you guys for the help. My splined shaft and possibly sprocket are toast. I'm glad I consulted with you all before I put this thing back together.
So the next question, does anyone close to central Indiana have a sprocket/ sprocket shaft that they are willing to part with? I am fine with going somewhere and removing said parts from a parts/junkyard machine, I have access to a sprocket puller.
The number on the sprocket is 4M4859 and the sprocket shaft is 6B5031.

P.S. I checked the dead axle and the key way is in the 12oclock position and the axle never appears to have worked loose.

Thanks,
Jim
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Tue, Dec 19, 2017 4:10 AM
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Reply to CableCat:
Thank you guys for the help. My splined shaft and possibly sprocket are toast. I'm glad I consulted with you all before I put this thing back together.
So the next question, does anyone close to central Indiana have a sprocket/ sprocket shaft that they are willing to part with? I am fine with going somewhere and removing said parts from a parts/junkyard machine, I have access to a sprocket puller.
The number on the sprocket is 4M4859 and the sprocket shaft is 6B5031.

P.S. I checked the dead axle and the key way is in the 12oclock position and the axle never appears to have worked loose.

Thanks,
Jim
About those part numbers?
I show a 4F6069 sprocket fitting the 6B5031 hub for the 17A plus a 4M4858 weld on rim.
Couldn't find an interchange for the 4M4859 sprocket you state.

Latest part numbers would be a 2M3504 hub, a 3S7092 sprocket assy. and a 3S7090 weld on rim.

Plug your part numbers in to a parts search on www.machinerytrader.com
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Tue, Dec 19, 2017 5:35 AM
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About those part numbers?
I show a 4F6069 sprocket fitting the 6B5031 hub for the 17A plus a 4M4858 weld on rim.
Couldn't find an interchange for the 4M4859 sprocket you state.

Latest part numbers would be a 2M3504 hub, a 3S7092 sprocket assy. and a 3S7090 weld on rim.

Plug your part numbers in to a parts search on www.machinerytrader.com
I may have mistaken the 8 for a 9 on the 4m4858. I'll see what I can find with the numbers you gave me.

Thanks,
Jim
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Tue, Dec 19, 2017 8:02 AM
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I may have mistaken the 8 for a 9 on the 4m4858. I'll see what I can find with the numbers you gave me.

Thanks,
Jim
That Machinery Trader part number search is neat.
So is there a difference between old number 6b5031 and new number 2m3504 hubs for example? What all does the 2m number fit? A friend of mine had a hub off of a 977h that I looked at, but it didn't measure quite the same as my old one. The splines and threads looked the same, but it was about an inch shorter if I'm not mistaken?
Sorry for all the dumb questions, I'm new to this old cat equipment!
Thanks
Jim
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Tue, Dec 19, 2017 8:36 AM
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Reply to CableCat:
That Machinery Trader part number search is neat.
So is there a difference between old number 6b5031 and new number 2m3504 hubs for example? What all does the 2m number fit? A friend of mine had a hub off of a 977h that I looked at, but it didn't measure quite the same as my old one. The splines and threads looked the same, but it was about an inch shorter if I'm not mistaken?
Sorry for all the dumb questions, I'm new to this old cat equipment!
Thanks
Jim
The 2M3504 fits 17A, 7M, 3T, 4T and 6T. The 977H is a different number.
The 9S7092 fits D7, 977E, H
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Tue, Dec 19, 2017 10:34 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
The 2M3504 fits 17A, 7M, 3T, 4T and 6T. The 977H is a different number.
The 9S7092 fits D7, 977E, H
Beware of casting numbers. they are often in the range of the part number but are not usually the part number. The part numbers in the world of Cat are almost always stamped.
The Cat dealers have an NPR numerical parts record. It can be used to trace the part number evolution and will tell what additional parts are needed to go with the later evolution. It also lists the serial numbers where used. A senior parts person will know how to navigate this system, of an old mechanic.
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