ACMOC
Login
ACMOC
d7 3t UC evaluation

d7 3t UC evaluation

Showing 1 to 10 of 12 results
1
mp3953
Topic Author
Offline
Send a private message to mp3953
Posts: 17
Thank you received: 0
So I was looking at this 3t for sale this weekend. I am a novice at UC evaluation so I took some pics and want to see if I am correct or not. I would grade this tractor as 80-90% but I would like someone else to guide me. see attached pics. THe sprockets are welded on cat brand. I know u cant tell that good from pics and I know i did not measure... you wont hrt my feelings.
Attachment
Attachment
Attachment
Attachment
Attachment
Attachment
Attachment
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, Jul 10, 2018 6:54 AM
neil
Offline
Moderator
Admin
Send a private message to neil
Posts: 6,933
Thank you received: 4
If by 80-90% you mean amount worn (so only 10% of wear left to go), then that's a good starting point. I'm not that familiar with 3T sprockets but that one looks 100% or more. Clear lip seen on rollers and idler so at least 50% on them. Other folks eyeballs are more attuned than mine but I would characterize that undercarriage as generally worn out (grousers look good though)
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, Jul 10, 2018 7:32 AM
d9gdon
Offline
Send a private message to d9gdon
Posts: 870
Thank you received: 0
Reply to neil:
If by 80-90% you mean amount worn (so only 10% of wear left to go), then that's a good starting point. I'm not that familiar with 3T sprockets but that one looks 100% or more. Clear lip seen on rollers and idler so at least 50% on them. Other folks eyeballs are more attuned than mine but I would characterize that undercarriage as generally worn out (grousers look good though)
The bushings on the rails look like they're worn through to the pins unless that's a shadow I'm seeing. Link height looks pretty good and the pin bosses aren't ground down so I would guess that the bottom rollers are pretty fair. Sprockets, carrier rollers, and idlers look worn 100%. Grousers look to be in pretty good shape.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, Jul 10, 2018 9:49 AM
ccjersey
Offline
Send a private message to ccjersey
Posts: 4,422
Thank you received: 0
The tracks have been run to the point of failure. I agree with Don, bushings are worn through to pins. Once you get that far there is nothing to save other than you could unbolt the grouser pads and swap to new rails if you have a big impact wrench and a torch.

I doubt the rollers are in good shape since they were most likely put in prior to or at best at the same time as those rails and I see a bit of squaring on the bottom of the pin bosses even though the rail height looks pretty good. That indicates to me the rollers are getting worn so the flanges are sticking up and getting close to the pin bosses. If it had been run much recently you could probably see the wear better.

Once I see broken bushings I don't need to measure pin to pin stretch or rail height so you didn't miss much other than to say the undercarriage is 90%. On the face of it, I take that to mean its worn 10%. I am used to hearing the remaining % quoted with no qualification. I expect the seller knew this and was hoping a novice would not question the "good" 90% figure or look very close at the undercarriage.

With that undercarriage, and the clutch problem, the tractor is scrap or parts machine. I doubt the clutch is a simple adjustment required situation. Whoever put the hours on that set of tracks knew how to adjust the clutch and the fact that they didn't adjust it so the tractor could be moved probably means there is nothing left. Thermoid links could be gone but you would usually see smoke and fuzz flying from that.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, Jul 10, 2018 8:56 PM
seiscat
Offline
Send a private message to seiscat
Posts: 1,319
Thank you received: 0
Reply to ccjersey:
The tracks have been run to the point of failure. I agree with Don, bushings are worn through to pins. Once you get that far there is nothing to save other than you could unbolt the grouser pads and swap to new rails if you have a big impact wrench and a torch.

I doubt the rollers are in good shape since they were most likely put in prior to or at best at the same time as those rails and I see a bit of squaring on the bottom of the pin bosses even though the rail height looks pretty good. That indicates to me the rollers are getting worn so the flanges are sticking up and getting close to the pin bosses. If it had been run much recently you could probably see the wear better.

Once I see broken bushings I don't need to measure pin to pin stretch or rail height so you didn't miss much other than to say the undercarriage is 90%. On the face of it, I take that to mean its worn 10%. I am used to hearing the remaining % quoted with no qualification. I expect the seller knew this and was hoping a novice would not question the "good" 90% figure or look very close at the undercarriage.

With that undercarriage, and the clutch problem, the tractor is scrap or parts machine. I doubt the clutch is a simple adjustment required situation. Whoever put the hours on that set of tracks knew how to adjust the clutch and the fact that they didn't adjust it so the tractor could be moved probably means there is nothing left. Thermoid links could be gone but you would usually see smoke and fuzz flying from that.
Okay mp3953, I don't see the bushing wear the other guys saw. I saved the image of the bushings to my computer and blew them up to 200% and there are marks on the most centered bushing but I saw very little sign of wear on the other bushing visible. The grousers look good and the rail height is great. I haven't seen 3T tracks in this good condition in a long time. That's the good news - the "other" news is the sprockets are worn quite a bit but they still have life left. The old D7s had an even number of sprocket teeth that means that the tractor only uses half of the teeth at a time. You can run until the sprocket is too worn then "jump" the sprocket a tooth and continue to wear the other half. The idlers and carrier roller shown are also worn as well, but you would still get a lot of hours before you ran them to destruction. I would like to see more photos and some of the bottom rollers.
The clutch problem is another matter. Please see the other post about that.
If you decide to buy this tractor please find a Operation and Maintenance Instruction Book for it along with a Parts Book and a Serviceman's Reference Book. They are available on ebay or PM me and I have some I would sell.
The 3T was a great tractor in it's day but you can do a lot of damage to it if you don't know the proper way to operate/work on it.
Good luck,
Craig
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, Jul 10, 2018 10:30 PM
mp3953
Topic Author
Offline
Send a private message to mp3953
Posts: 17
Thank you received: 0
Reply to seiscat:
Okay mp3953, I don't see the bushing wear the other guys saw. I saved the image of the bushings to my computer and blew them up to 200% and there are marks on the most centered bushing but I saw very little sign of wear on the other bushing visible. The grousers look good and the rail height is great. I haven't seen 3T tracks in this good condition in a long time. That's the good news - the "other" news is the sprockets are worn quite a bit but they still have life left. The old D7s had an even number of sprocket teeth that means that the tractor only uses half of the teeth at a time. You can run until the sprocket is too worn then "jump" the sprocket a tooth and continue to wear the other half. The idlers and carrier roller shown are also worn as well, but you would still get a lot of hours before you ran them to destruction. I would like to see more photos and some of the bottom rollers.
The clutch problem is another matter. Please see the other post about that.
If you decide to buy this tractor please find a Operation and Maintenance Instruction Book for it along with a Parts Book and a Serviceman's Reference Book. They are available on ebay or PM me and I have some I would sell.
The 3T was a great tractor in it's day but you can do a lot of damage to it if you don't know the proper way to operate/work on it.
Good luck,
Craig
Well I am glad to hear someone who was in more agreement with me. It must be image quality because the bushings to me had almost no wear. Does anyone ha e some good pics or a manual with pics of good and bad ones so I can learn better what I am looking for? On the sprockets when I look at the rim of metal around sides it is pretty even and does not look egged out. How do I know it is worn? Thanks for all the replies
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Wed, Jul 11, 2018 1:56 AM
D6 Bo
Offline
Send a private message to D6 Bo
Posts: 36
Thank you received: 0
Reply to mp3953:
Well I am glad to hear someone who was in more agreement with me. It must be image quality because the bushings to me had almost no wear. Does anyone ha e some good pics or a manual with pics of good and bad ones so I can learn better what I am looking for? On the sprockets when I look at the rim of metal around sides it is pretty even and does not look egged out. How do I know it is worn? Thanks for all the replies


I agree with Sesicat. I do not see the wear on the bushings and the rail height looks good. I agree that the sprockets and idlers are worn, but still have some life left.

D6 Bo
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Wed, Jul 11, 2018 2:53 AM
neil
Offline
Moderator
Admin
Send a private message to neil
Posts: 6,933
Thank you received: 4
Reply to D6 Bo:


I agree with Sesicat. I do not see the wear on the bushings and the rail height looks good. I agree that the sprockets and idlers are worn, but still have some life left.

D6 Bo
Don't have a picture but your usual extremes of service life are brand new in which case the bushings are perfectly round, and 100% worn in which, even without measuring, you'll see a noticeable wear mark / scallop out of the side that contacts the sprocket. When it's really toast, the bushing will be worn through and you can see the pin on the inside. Noticeable ridges on the idlers and rollers is also another tell-tale, and then "pointy" sprocket teeth is another.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Wed, Jul 11, 2018 3:07 AM
catsilver
Offline
Send a private message to catsilver
Posts: 1,644
Thank you received: 0
Reply to neil:
Don't have a picture but your usual extremes of service life are brand new in which case the bushings are perfectly round, and 100% worn in which, even without measuring, you'll see a noticeable wear mark / scallop out of the side that contacts the sprocket. When it's really toast, the bushing will be worn through and you can see the pin on the inside. Noticeable ridges on the idlers and rollers is also another tell-tale, and then "pointy" sprocket teeth is another.
It looks to me as if someone has fitted a new pair of tracks on with well worn sprocket segments, there is also some misalignment wear on he idlers and top rollers. I would be more concerned about idler alignment wear and that bit of oil on one of the sprockets than wear on the rest of the undercarriage.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Wed, Jul 11, 2018 5:37 AM
8C 361
Offline
Send a private message to 8C 361
Posts: 720
Thank you received: 0
Reply to catsilver:
It looks to me as if someone has fitted a new pair of tracks on with well worn sprocket segments, there is also some misalignment wear on he idlers and top rollers. I would be more concerned about idler alignment wear and that bit of oil on one of the sprockets than wear on the rest of the undercarriage.
Track link pitch should be measured to know for sure true condition. Measure across 5 pins of stretched track. New would be 32" I believe. Judging by condition of sprockets I suspect internal bushing wear.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Wed, Jul 11, 2018 9:10 PM
d9gdon
Offline
Send a private message to d9gdon
Posts: 870
Thank you received: 0
Reply to 8C 361:
Track link pitch should be measured to know for sure true condition. Measure across 5 pins of stretched track. New would be 32" I believe. Judging by condition of sprockets I suspect internal bushing wear.
That pic #4 of the bushing to the far right looks to be worn through to the pin...again, it could be a shadow or the wear pattern that I'm seeing.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Thu, Jul 12, 2018 4:06 AM
Showing 1 to 10 of 12 results
1
YouTube Video Placeholder

Follow Us on Social Media

Our channel highlights machines from the earliest Holt and Best track-type tractors, equipment from the start of Caterpillar in 1925, up to units built in the mid-1960s.

Upcoming Events

Wheatlands Warracknabeal Easter Rally

Chapter Nineteen

| 34 Henty Hwy, Warracknabeal

Veerkamp Open House 2025

Chapter Fifteen

| Placerville, CA

Stradsett Park Vintage Rally

Chapter Two

| Stradsett, Nr Downham Market. Norfolk PE33 9HA UK
View Calendar
ACMOC

Antique Caterpillar
Machinery Owners Club

1115 Madison St NE # 1117
Salem, OR 97301

[email protected]

Terms & Privacy
Website developed by AdCo

Testimonials

"I also joined a year ago. had been on here a couple of times as a non-member and found the info very helpful so I got a one year subscription (not very expensive at all) to try it out. I really like all the resources on here so I just got a three year. I think its a very small price for what you can get out of this site."
-Jason N

Join Today!