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D7-3t flywheel clutch stuck

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Owenfred
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So I'm ready to take my first drive, start the pony, start the diesel, warm her up with the clutch engaged like the manual says... Disengage, push forward, put it in first gear, then go to shift to reverse and she grinds...

Removal of the inspection cover for my dry clutch shows the rear friction plate is stuck to the flywheel.

The front plate by the engine disengages fine, but the rear is pressed on there good.

I tried killing the diesel, putting it in gear, and engaging the running pony... The tracks move so that rear plate has some serious pressure on it.

Any suggestions? I might take the clutch out today, but I don't really want to. Hoping you guys can suggest something easier as I don't really know the mechanism well.

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Sun, Dec 24, 2017 9:04 PM
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You could used some diesel in cluch housing with the cluch desangaged and start motor for couple minutes after you can try with the cluch angaged but the transmission in neutral
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Sun, Dec 24, 2017 10:31 PM
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Reply to gemdozer:
You could used some diesel in cluch housing with the cluch desangaged and start motor for couple minutes after you can try with the cluch angaged but the transmission in neutral
You could also try your propane torch on the rear plate, get it generally warm all over (maybe just slightly too hot to touch) and then when it cools down a bit, pour some diesel over it and then get your putty knife in there and see if you can slide it in between the plates and break the bond
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Sun, Dec 24, 2017 11:39 PM
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You could also try your propane torch on the rear plate, get it generally warm all over (maybe just slightly too hot to touch) and then when it cools down a bit, pour some diesel over it and then get your putty knife in there and see if you can slide it in between the plates and break the bond
Gees, that first pic looks like a sewage pump! lol
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Sun, Dec 24, 2017 11:49 PM
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Gees, that first pic looks like a sewage pump! lol
could it be below freezing? looks like ice in there,if it is warm it up maybe use a steam cleaner then follow with a diesel bath.

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Mon, Dec 25, 2017 12:41 AM
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Reply to bursitis:
could it be below freezing? looks like ice in there,if it is warm it up maybe use a steam cleaner then follow with a diesel bath.
My D2 5U did that this year and it was oil adhesion sticking the plate, follow Gemdozers suggestion of a diesel flush first before pulling the clutch, at least it will clean that compartment if you do have to pull it.
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Mon, Dec 25, 2017 1:33 AM
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Just enough diesel or kerosene in there to get up on the flywheel a little. Then button it up and spin it over so it spatters all around in there. You don't want enough to leak through the rear main into the oil pan.

I would rig up a way to securely hold the steering clutches back and start it up in high gear to start with (or in the highest gear possible ) and then try snapping the steering clutches in momentarily to put some shock on the stuck clutch. Might not work but done safely it could save you a bunch of trouble.
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Mon, Dec 25, 2017 6:40 AM
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Reply to Mike Meyer:
My D2 5U did that this year and it was oil adhesion sticking the plate, follow Gemdozers suggestion of a diesel flush first before pulling the clutch, at least it will clean that compartment if you do have to pull it.
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Yeah that clutch looks a disaster. It should be relatively clean in there. A pressure cleaner in there will help clean things up. Make sure the bottom plug is out and the opening clear.
If you're machine has a rear mounted pcu fitted , that can be used to try to stop the top shaft of the gear box from turning. If you have plenty of room to move
, the steering clutch levers can be tied back.
Start the tractor in gear and drive around using the brakes to load the clutch.
Otherwise use a hammer and punch to tap on the intermediate plate of the clutch to break it loose.
The intermediate plate is the one with the bolts in it.
There is a grease nipple in the outer perimeter of the intermediate plate that lubricates the center bearing.
Christmas day here and about 10 am. The calm before the storm so to speak.
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Mon, Dec 25, 2017 7:19 AM
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Reply to Andrew:
Yeah that clutch looks a disaster. It should be relatively clean in there. A pressure cleaner in there will help clean things up. Make sure the bottom plug is out and the opening clear.
If you're machine has a rear mounted pcu fitted , that can be used to try to stop the top shaft of the gear box from turning. If you have plenty of room to move
, the steering clutch levers can be tied back.
Start the tractor in gear and drive around using the brakes to load the clutch.
Otherwise use a hammer and punch to tap on the intermediate plate of the clutch to break it loose.
The intermediate plate is the one with the bolts in it.
There is a grease nipple in the outer perimeter of the intermediate plate that lubricates the center bearing.
Christmas day here and about 10 am. The calm before the storm so to speak.
Merry Christmas to all.
Thanks for the replys.

I started it in gear with the levers held back and it released. Strange though, now the left steering is not working. The housing is full of milky oil. I cleaned and replaced it best I could, but upon inspection again it is still pretty milky...

The manual is not very clear on how to adjust the levers, but I may lift the tank and clean the crap out of it today.

I can only steer right and I have to hold the lever back and apply the brake.

Any other suggestions for no steering?
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Mon, Dec 25, 2017 7:49 PM
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A 3T should have DRY steering clutches. Usually the oil comes in as leaks from the bevel gear compartment or final drives and must be kept drained by periodically removing the drain plugs in the bottom of the compartment. Oily clutches and brakes would not work well unless the friction surfaces have been replaced with a material compatable with oil. I would start by draining the steering clutch compartments and then wash with diesel or kerosene to clean as much of the oil as possible from the frictions . Operator's manual usually recommends not disengaging the steering clutches while driving to and fro to avoid getting the diesel and debris between the disks, but I think you would want to remove as much oil as possible from the clutch packs so they will transmit the torque required.

Many times water from rain or condensation will collect in the bottom of the compartment and rust the brake band at the bottom (as well as the rest of the clutch and brake mechanism). The band can snap from the rust leaving you with no pedal. Some operators just removed the drain plugs and ran it like that but mud can still plug the holes and if operating in water the plugs certainly need to be in place.

Underneath the machine you should find drain plugs for engine oil in front, DRY main clutch behind that then under center of tractor toward the back there are usually 2 drain plugs to drain the transmission and bevel gear compartments that share the same oil. To drain completely, BOTH plugs must be removed but the oil will equalize between the two compartments as you add it to the filler near the steering clutch support in the floor boards of the operator's station. Outboard of the bevel gear compartment on each side, you should see the plug for each DRY steering clutch compartment. Finally, each final drive has an oil drain plug though sometimes these have been smeared by scraping over rocks so as to be almost undetectable! I like to drain a sample from each oil filled compartment of a "new" machine into a clean cup to remove any condensation and check for debris.

It is normal to have to use the brakes for turning unless you are pulling or pushing a load. Unloaded, on level ground, just pulling a steering clutch will produce only a gradual turn. Later models have brakes integrated into the steering levers so the first bit disengages the clutch and pulling more engages the brake. The 3T does not work like that.

Steering clutches are adjusted to the specified dimension (frequently 3") free travel at the bottom of the hand grip. First make sure the levers are returning to rest against the stops when released. Sticks and debris can collect in that space and prevent the lever from moving all the way forward. If that is ok then measure free travel from a fixed point such as the air cleaner hood as you pull the lever back.

Good luck!
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Mon, Dec 25, 2017 9:52 PM
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A 3T should have DRY steering clutches. Usually the oil comes in as leaks from the bevel gear compartment or final drives and must be kept drained by periodically removing the drain plugs in the bottom of the compartment. Oily clutches and brakes would not work well unless the friction surfaces have been replaced with a material compatable with oil. I would start by draining the steering clutch compartments and then wash with diesel or kerosene to clean as much of the oil as possible from the frictions . Operator's manual usually recommends not disengaging the steering clutches while driving to and fro to avoid getting the diesel and debris between the disks, but I think you would want to remove as much oil as possible from the clutch packs so they will transmit the torque required.

Many times water from rain or condensation will collect in the bottom of the compartment and rust the brake band at the bottom (as well as the rest of the clutch and brake mechanism). The band can snap from the rust leaving you with no pedal. Some operators just removed the drain plugs and ran it like that but mud can still plug the holes and if operating in water the plugs certainly need to be in place.

Underneath the machine you should find drain plugs for engine oil in front, DRY main clutch behind that then under center of tractor toward the back there are usually 2 drain plugs to drain the transmission and bevel gear compartments that share the same oil. To drain completely, BOTH plugs must be removed but the oil will equalize between the two compartments as you add it to the filler near the steering clutch support in the floor boards of the operator's station. Outboard of the bevel gear compartment on each side, you should see the plug for each DRY steering clutch compartment. Finally, each final drive has an oil drain plug though sometimes these have been smeared by scraping over rocks so as to be almost undetectable! I like to drain a sample from each oil filled compartment of a "new" machine into a clean cup to remove any condensation and check for debris.

It is normal to have to use the brakes for turning unless you are pulling or pushing a load. Unloaded, on level ground, just pulling a steering clutch will produce only a gradual turn. Later models have brakes integrated into the steering levers so the first bit disengages the clutch and pulling more engages the brake. The 3T does not work like that.

Steering clutches are adjusted to the specified dimension (frequently 3") free travel at the bottom of the hand grip. First make sure the levers are returning to rest against the stops when released. Sticks and debris can collect in that space and prevent the lever from moving all the way forward. If that is ok then measure free travel from a fixed point such as the air cleaner hood as you pull the lever back.

Good luck!
I am a bit confused. When you started it in gear with the steering clutches held back they must have been released. Now you can only turn right meaning that the left steering clutch is stuck. I would put it into a harder push and see if the left track stops when pulling the left clutch. You could have a non working or stuck brake linkage on that side

On the steering clutch plugs many folks drill a 1/4 hole in them and put a bent cotter key in them. That lets the moisture out, does a decent job of keeping mud out, and the key rubbing around keeps the hole from plugging with mud.
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