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Old Magnet I need your expertise on this subject. I made a bad mistake with my D7 17A cat this weekend. It had been setting for about a year and decided to move it about 1/4 mile to my shop to do some minor repairs. I didn't realize it had gotten diesel in the crankcase from setting. Have never had this problem with this tractor for the 40 years I have owned it. Well it lost oil pressure after running for a few minutes. I shut it down and used my John Deere 4440 to pull it to the shop. Drained the crankcase and got a lot of oil and diesel out of it with flakes of babbitt. What is involved with repairing this engine? I would guess that it would have to be removed to get the crank shaft out which would probably be damaged? The undercarriage is in need of replacement as well. Trying to decide if it would be better to scrap the tractor instead of repairing it. Old Magnet if you would be willing I would like to talk to you on the phone to get your opinion if you are willing send me an email to dtucker@basaresources with your phone number. I value your opinion on the old cats.
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Mon, Jun 25, 2018 8:28 PM
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It's a shame to see an engine killed by a 50 cent o-ring (most likely the fuel gallery seal between the injection pump and filter tower). That coupled with worn out undercarriage definitely puts the value in question. On the other side the 17A is a good unit worth salvaging if you have need for its service.
I'd recommend you start by pulling the block side covers and checking to see exactly what the condition of the crankshaft and bearings are. If it has never been rebuilt it is overdue anyway and yes the engine would have to come out if the crankshaft needs grinding.
As far as phone talk I'd rather discuss the subject here so others can contribute and learn but if it gets to the point where phone conversation is a must we can do that.
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Mon, Jun 25, 2018 10:25 PM
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It's a shame to see an engine killed by a 50 cent o-ring (most likely the fuel gallery seal between the injection pump and filter tower). That coupled with worn out undercarriage definitely puts the value in question. On the other side the 17A is a good unit worth salvaging if you have need for its service.
I'd recommend you start by pulling the block side covers and checking to see exactly what the condition of the crankshaft and bearings are. If it has never been rebuilt it is overdue anyway and yes the engine would have to come out if the crankshaft needs grinding.
As far as phone talk I'd rather discuss the subject here so others can contribute and learn but if it gets to the point where phone conversation is a must we can do that.
Old Magnet if I overhauled the engine would it be better to remove the manifolds, heads and cranking engine first before removing the block to lighten the amount of weight to lift. I was also wondering if the cam and balance shaft bearings would also possibly be damaged? I would guess that the metal particles could be cleaned out of all of the passage ways with the block disassembled? Are parts still readily available for these engines? I might consider finding someone to buy the whole machine for parts since there are a lot of good parts on this tractor. It has been a real work horse over the 40 years I have had it on the farm. It is close to Brownwood Texas if there are any ACMOC members around this area that would be interested in it. I will take some pictures of it this weekend.
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Mon, Jun 25, 2018 11:03 PM
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Old Magnet if I overhauled the engine would it be better to remove the manifolds, heads and cranking engine first before removing the block to lighten the amount of weight to lift. I was also wondering if the cam and balance shaft bearings would also possibly be damaged? I would guess that the metal particles could be cleaned out of all of the passage ways with the block disassembled? Are parts still readily available for these engines? I might consider finding someone to buy the whole machine for parts since there are a lot of good parts on this tractor. It has been a real work horse over the 40 years I have had it on the farm. It is close to Brownwood Texas if there are any ACMOC members around this area that would be interested in it. I will take some pictures of it this weekend.
It wouldn't hurt to remove some of the bolt ons to lighten the lifting load if your facilities are limited. As far as I know parts are still available. Did the engine actually seize up from lack of lube or was it shut down prior to seizing? A thorough cleaning of all oil passages during overhaul is a must as well as inspection and measuring of all rotating bearing surfaces.
With engine problems and worn out undercarriage I wouldn't expect much more than scrap metal value for the remnants.
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Mon, Jun 25, 2018 11:36 PM
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It wouldn't hurt to remove some of the bolt ons to lighten the lifting load if your facilities are limited. As far as I know parts are still available. Did the engine actually seize up from lack of lube or was it shut down prior to seizing? A thorough cleaning of all oil passages during overhaul is a must as well as inspection and measuring of all rotating bearing surfaces.
With engine problems and worn out undercarriage I wouldn't expect much more than scrap metal value for the remnants.
It actually seized up. Have not tried to turn it over with a wrench. What does the engine weigh about 6,000 lbs? Also I would guess the block would have to be handled many times to put it in several positions for teardown.
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Tue, Jun 26, 2018 12:12 AM
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