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Delta KJ
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I was pulling a large offset disk with my D6D SA (5X) last weekend and after making tight turns to the left while using the left brake, the left steering clutch appeared to remain partially disengaged after releasing the steering clutch lever. When I disengaged the right steering clutch the left clutch appeared to grab and fully engage. When I dismounted the tractor I noticed that that the tracks had lost all of their tension and the front idler was fully retracted. If the hydraulic track adjuster failed and released the track tension would it appear that the steering clutch was not fully engaging? Any ideas about what may be the cause?
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Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:34 PM
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I think your dealing with separate events there.
Not a good sign when one steering clutch affects the other. Usually means there is excess play in the bevel gear support bearings, allowing lateral movement of the bevel gear shaft.

By tracks I assume you are referring to one side. Be unusual to have both sides lose adjustment at the same time.
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Tue, Dec 10, 2013 11:16 PM
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With worn sloppy tracks that are very loose, you would notice a lot of snatch when you disengage the track that has been carrying the load and the other one suddenly pulls all the slack out. This would only occur when you had just made a turn and had a lot of slack still in the track on the inside of the turn and then you suddenly disengage the track that was on the outside of the turn. I am talking VERY LOOSE tracks here. Had one of my adjusters collapse on the 9U a while back and it certainly feels different. Was able to limp it back to the shop before tearing it down and it definitely feels "loosey".

However, I would echo what OM says about the bevel gear shaft bearings possibly being loose so much that when you pull a steering clutch, the shaft moves toward the opposite side and would possibly allow the clutch on that side to engage fully. Unless you have something mounted on the back, you can remove the rear cover and take a bar to pry on the bevel gear to see if there is any slack in the bearings.

I also wonder if there might just be some interferance between the steering clutch linkages at the firewall and back under the floorboard to the control valve. (thinking this would be a hydraulic system like the D7E I have a book for) If one of the levers or cranks was seizing on a common pivot shaft, it might hang until the other lever next to it was moved. As I remember the feel of the D7E controls, there is not a lot of spring return pressure to pull the levers back to the engaged position. I believe I would spend some time lubricating everything and checking for slop and jerky operation.

Could also be a spool hanging up in the control valve due to a broken spring etc there, but I don't really see how the opposite clutch control could affect the spool that was stuck. A check of pressures in the steerig cutch system should show if the hydraulic control system is operating properly.
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Wed, Dec 11, 2013 12:42 AM
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With worn sloppy tracks that are very loose, you would notice a lot of snatch when you disengage the track that has been carrying the load and the other one suddenly pulls all the slack out. This would only occur when you had just made a turn and had a lot of slack still in the track on the inside of the turn and then you suddenly disengage the track that was on the outside of the turn. I am talking VERY LOOSE tracks here. Had one of my adjusters collapse on the 9U a while back and it certainly feels different. Was able to limp it back to the shop before tearing it down and it definitely feels "loosey".

However, I would echo what OM says about the bevel gear shaft bearings possibly being loose so much that when you pull a steering clutch, the shaft moves toward the opposite side and would possibly allow the clutch on that side to engage fully. Unless you have something mounted on the back, you can remove the rear cover and take a bar to pry on the bevel gear to see if there is any slack in the bearings.

I also wonder if there might just be some interferance between the steering clutch linkages at the firewall and back under the floorboard to the control valve. (thinking this would be a hydraulic system like the D7E I have a book for) If one of the levers or cranks was seizing on a common pivot shaft, it might hang until the other lever next to it was moved. As I remember the feel of the D7E controls, there is not a lot of spring return pressure to pull the levers back to the engaged position. I believe I would spend some time lubricating everything and checking for slop and jerky operation.

Could also be a spool hanging up in the control valve due to a broken spring etc there, but I don't really see how the opposite clutch control could affect the spool that was stuck. A check of pressures in the steerig cutch system should show if the hydraulic control system is operating properly.
Delta KJ

My guess is that the left steering clutch did not fully return to the engaged position after you released it. When you pulled the right clutch lever the left lever finally traveled all the way forward and the clutch engaged. This is the result of some stiffness some where in the linkage or the spool valve. You can lubricate all the obvious pivot points and try to get things to smooth out. Otherwise you have to consciously push the friction forward each time you release it.

If the track is loose, pump it up with your grease gun and try it out. If it will not stay adjusted, you will need to reseal the piston on the hydraulic track adjuster.

Good luck and keep us posted.
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Wed, Dec 11, 2013 10:34 AM
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Delta KJ

My guess is that the left steering clutch did not fully return to the engaged position after you released it. When you pulled the right clutch lever the left lever finally traveled all the way forward and the clutch engaged. This is the result of some stiffness some where in the linkage or the spool valve. You can lubricate all the obvious pivot points and try to get things to smooth out. Otherwise you have to consciously push the friction forward each time you release it.

If the track is loose, pump it up with your grease gun and try it out. If it will not stay adjusted, you will need to reseal the piston on the hydraulic track adjuster.

Good luck and keep us posted.
It was common on the D5B SA and the D6D SA to have issues with the clutch levers hanging up. Hopefully that's just it otherwise you are getting into a bigger set of issues as posted above.

Part of our annual maintenance program when that series of tractors were the primary power units was to remove and go through those pivot bearings on the steering clutch levers.
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Wed, Dec 11, 2013 5:12 PM
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It was common on the D5B SA and the D6D SA to have issues with the clutch levers hanging up. Hopefully that's just it otherwise you are getting into a bigger set of issues as posted above.

Part of our annual maintenance program when that series of tractors were the primary power units was to remove and go through those pivot bearings on the steering clutch levers.
I checked the steering clutch linkage and didn't find any binding or reasons the linkage was not fully engaging. My guess is that the sensation of the left steering clutch not engaging is due to the loose tracks. I don't see any grease leaking from the hydraulic adjuster. If the adjuster has failed wouldn't it be leaking grease?

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Mon, Dec 16, 2013 8:37 AM
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I checked the steering clutch linkage and didn't find any binding or reasons the linkage was not fully engaging. My guess is that the sensation of the left steering clutch not engaging is due to the loose tracks. I don't see any grease leaking from the hydraulic adjuster. If the adjuster has failed wouldn't it be leaking grease?

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Hi Team,
the void behind the adjuster cylinder where the recoil bolt comes out of its outer housing, inside the spring, needs to fill with grease--lots of-- before it would show there.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Mon, Dec 16, 2013 8:58 AM
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Hi Team,
the void behind the adjuster cylinder where the recoil bolt comes out of its outer housing, inside the spring, needs to fill with grease--lots of-- before it would show there.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
Delta, Your track dose need adjusted however it dose not look all that loose to me, not like the track adjuster seals have failed. If your track adjuster seals were bad you should be finding lots of grease leaking past it. If it were me I'd adjust the track and try it again. Also I don't think your steering clutch problem is related to a loose track, seems there must be something else going on with it. I once had a cotter pin fall out of the roll pin on one steering clutch linkage behind the dash on a D7F, which then worked out and was catching on the other steering clutch linkage and it would not return in unless you pulled the other clutch lever out a little. Hopefully it's something that simple, Hey yeah never know. Chum.
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