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I am new to this forum!!! I am looking to buy D6C from near by farmer. The farmer attempted to replace rear seal, after removing universal he was able to pop the seal out. but in the process the shaft moved in toward the converter 1/2 inch. Shaft will not return. Any help would be appriciated. Thanks, Jimi... P.S. I would like to purchase dozier but trying to find out what I am getting into.
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Thu, Feb 23, 2017 12:33 AM
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Any Help would be good!!!
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Thu, Feb 23, 2017 12:48 AM
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Any Help would be good!!!
jimigiddings,

First of all, Welcome to the forum.

As an added bit of help, it is always a good idea to add your location to your profile so if there is someone nearby thay can be of greater help.
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jimigiddings,

First of all, Welcome to the forum.

As an added bit of help, it is always a good idea to add your location to your profile so if there is someone nearby thay can be of greater help.
Jim--good that you came over from YT--just hang on and the experts will be on!
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Jim--good that you came over from YT--just hang on and the experts will be on!
I have a hard time visualizing that happening. The thru shaft is solid from the u-joint mount to the pilot bearing in the flywheel which is trapped by shoulder on the shaft and flywheel. A 1/2" of movement at the flywheel would seem to be more crankshaft thrust movement than is possible.
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Thu, Feb 23, 2017 8:31 AM
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jimigiddings,

First of all, Welcome to the forum.

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[quote="Walt D7-3T"]jimigiddings,

First of all, Welcome to the forum.

As an added bit of help, it is always a good idea to add your location to your profile so if there is someone nearby thay can be of greater help.[/quote]

Thank You Walt!!!! I live in Richmond Virginia
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Thu, Feb 23, 2017 7:57 PM
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[quote="Walt D7-3T"]jimigiddings,

First of all, Welcome to the forum.

As an added bit of help, it is always a good idea to add your location to your profile so if there is someone nearby thay can be of greater help.[/quote]

Thank You Walt!!!! I live in Richmond Virginia
Hi Jim,
it is likely that the bearing rollers, in the rear of the T/C housing, that support rear of the T/C output shaft have dropped and are catching on the edge of the inner race on the shaft.
You could try forcing grease into the rollers and hope it will hold them up so the shaft can be withdrawn to its working position. A piece of curved semi-circular shaped shim stock might allow you to lift the top rollers up and slide the shaft back too.
Not sure if the hook type piston ring seal can move out of its bore forwards far enough to unlatch--been too long now since I worked on one--I think the odds are low for this to happen--but just wanted to say it could or could not be be a possibility.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Fri, Feb 24, 2017 6:52 AM
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Hi Jim,
it is likely that the bearing rollers, in the rear of the T/C housing, that support rear of the T/C output shaft have dropped and are catching on the edge of the inner race on the shaft.
You could try forcing grease into the rollers and hope it will hold them up so the shaft can be withdrawn to its working position. A piece of curved semi-circular shaped shim stock might allow you to lift the top rollers up and slide the shaft back too.
Not sure if the hook type piston ring seal can move out of its bore forwards far enough to unlatch--been too long now since I worked on one--I think the odds are low for this to happen--but just wanted to say it could or could not be be a possibility.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
The ball and roller bearings used are caged assemblies.
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Fri, Feb 24, 2017 9:45 AM
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The ball and roller bearings used are caged assemblies.
yes, but they wear and the rollers get loose in the cages and hang down a catch. Hence the rollers may need to lifted/held to enable the inner race to slide back into place.
Mileage may vary depending on wear.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Fri, Feb 24, 2017 10:19 AM
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yes, but they wear and the rollers get loose in the cages and hang down a catch. Hence the rollers may need to lifted/held to enable the inner race to slide back into place.
Mileage may vary depending on wear.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
You need to look at the torque converter cross section. The only separable bearing and race on the main shaft is the pilot bearing. The only way I can see getting 1/2" of movement is to punch through the pilot bearing. And the u-joint flange would have to be removed or the retaining bolt stripped to do that. Also would require the loss of the shaft press fit of the carrier bearing. All possible I guess.
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Fri, Feb 24, 2017 12:47 PM
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You need to look at the torque converter cross section. The only separable bearing and race on the main shaft is the pilot bearing. The only way I can see getting 1/2" of movement is to punch through the pilot bearing. And the u-joint flange would have to be removed or the retaining bolt stripped to do that. Also would require the loss of the shaft press fit of the carrier bearing. All possible I guess.
He has removed the U joint flange to change the seal and pushed the shaft forward, something has dropped to stop the shaft easily coming back.
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Fri, Feb 24, 2017 2:58 PM
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