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D6C 10K Hydraulic Track Adjuster

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cmeyer19
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A friend wants me to replace the seals on a track adjuster that will not hold the adjustment. I was looking through the service manual and it says to unpin the track and pull the front idler forward. Then tighten the nut on the recoil bolt to remove the pressure from the stops. I don't understand why you would mess with the recoil spring unless it's a safety issue to contain the spring while the track is unpinned. If that's the case would it be better to take the pressure off the stops before I take the track apart? I understand the amount of pressure that the recoil spring is under and would rather not mess with it if it's not necessary. Thanks for any opinions and have a good Thanksgiving.

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Thu, Nov 26, 2015 8:40 AM
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Yes, that is what the manual says but I think they got the instructions mixed up with removing the recoil spring. No reason you would want the pressure off the stops to work on the adjuster.
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Thu, Nov 26, 2015 11:13 AM
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Yes, that is what the manual says but I think they got the instructions mixed up with removing the recoil spring. No reason you would want the pressure off the stops to work on the adjuster.
There is barely enough room to pull the adjuster cylinder out with the spring against the stops and the idler pushed all the way forward....maybe not even quite enough to get it out.

When I did mine, before breaking the track I pumped up the adjuster enough to compress the spring a 1/2" or so (assuming it's not leaking so bad that you can't) and put a couple of 1/2" blocks between the stops and the spring. (You could also compress it by putting an old track pin in the sprocket and backing up a little) Spin up the nut on the end of the center bolt for a safety. Don't think you want to try and compress the spring by tightening the nut alone as things could go bang if the nut failed....and most of them are pretty rusty.

May not be absolutely necessary but gives a little more working room.
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Thu, Nov 26, 2015 10:57 PM
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There is barely enough room to pull the adjuster cylinder out with the spring against the stops and the idler pushed all the way forward....maybe not even quite enough to get it out.

When I did mine, before breaking the track I pumped up the adjuster enough to compress the spring a 1/2" or so (assuming it's not leaking so bad that you can't) and put a couple of 1/2" blocks between the stops and the spring. (You could also compress it by putting an old track pin in the sprocket and backing up a little) Spin up the nut on the end of the center bolt for a safety. Don't think you want to try and compress the spring by tightening the nut alone as things could go bang if the nut failed....and most of them are pretty rusty.

May not be absolutely necessary but gives a little more working room.
Welcome to ACMOC cmeyer19, I am wondering if your D6C 10K tracks have the master pin or the later master link (sometimes refered to as an alligator or split link) that can be recognized by that links solid profile. The last 10K was built in 1976 I think, so the undercarriage could have been replaced several times.
I don't know the level of your experience so I thought I would mention this.
Happy Dozin' :cool2:
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Thu, Nov 26, 2015 11:49 PM
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Welcome to ACMOC cmeyer19, I am wondering if your D6C 10K tracks have the master pin or the later master link (sometimes refered to as an alligator or split link) that can be recognized by that links solid profile. The last 10K was built in 1976 I think, so the undercarriage could have been replaced several times.
I don't know the level of your experience so I thought I would mention this.
Happy Dozin' :cool2:
The safest thing to do is clean up the threads on the big nut and use the track to pull the spring back a shade then do the nut up, the bolts in the spring retainers have a nasty habit of breaking and you wouldn't want the spring trying to escape part way through the job. Once this is done, you have a choice, split the track and remove the adjuster, or remove the spring retainers and pull the spring sideways to get to the adjuster piston, be sure the threads on the big spring bolt are in good order to use the second easier method. If that spring escapes, it will go off like a bomb.
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Fri, Nov 27, 2015 1:16 AM
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The safest thing to do is clean up the threads on the big nut and use the track to pull the spring back a shade then do the nut up, the bolts in the spring retainers have a nasty habit of breaking and you wouldn't want the spring trying to escape part way through the job. Once this is done, you have a choice, split the track and remove the adjuster, or remove the spring retainers and pull the spring sideways to get to the adjuster piston, be sure the threads on the big spring bolt are in good order to use the second easier method. If that spring escapes, it will go off like a bomb.
Thank you for the replies. This tractor does have aftermarket undercarriage in it and has the alligator links. So that should save me quite a bit of time by not having to beat out the master pin. I've been working on farm equipment on the side for quite a few years but I don't claim to be an expert. I appreciate having a forum like this where I can learn from people with far more experience than me.
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Sat, Nov 28, 2015 7:51 AM
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Thank you for the replies. This tractor does have aftermarket undercarriage in it and has the alligator links. So that should save me quite a bit of time by not having to beat out the master pin. I've been working on farm equipment on the side for quite a few years but I don't claim to be an expert. I appreciate having a forum like this where I can learn from people with far more experience than me.
You are welcome. You will also need a finish tap(also called a botoming tap) 3/4" NF (16 Threads Per Inch) to clean the threads before assembling the track. Yes, this is necessary as any debris in the threads will prevent the bolts from being properly tightened resulting in damaged bolts/link. Don't forget to use anti-seize on the bolts. These two things can prevent a bunch of trouble.
Good Luck
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Sat, Nov 28, 2015 9:10 PM
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Yes, that is what the manual says but I think they got the instructions mixed up with removing the recoil spring. No reason you would want the pressure off the stops to work on the adjuster.


Hi Old Magnet, I need to fix seals on my Cat D6B track adjuster. I was confused as to why I would have to do anything with the spring to remove the hydraulic tensioner unit as you mentioned.
My track frame has a plate (2inx4in) welded on which prevents sliding the piston forward too far ??. Must be a safety thing. If I remove the 4 studs which connect the front idler yoke to the valve unit on the piston, I can slide the idler forward ( after cutting the above mentioned stop plate off) then pull the piston out for seal repair. It appears that my problem is the grease leaking inside the spring coil so I am not sure which seal is gone. I was going to wrap a chain around the spring coil and under the roller frame just for safety. Does this sound OK?
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Sat, Feb 3, 2018 11:12 AM
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Hi Old Magnet, I need to fix seals on my Cat D6B track adjuster. I was confused as to why I would have to do anything with the spring to remove the hydraulic tensioner unit as you mentioned.
My track frame has a plate (2inx4in) welded on which prevents sliding the piston forward too far ??. Must be a safety thing. If I remove the 4 studs which connect the front idler yoke to the valve unit on the piston, I can slide the idler forward ( after cutting the above mentioned stop plate off) then pull the piston out for seal repair. It appears that my problem is the grease leaking inside the spring coil so I am not sure which seal is gone. I was going to wrap a chain around the spring coil and under the roller frame just for safety. Does this sound OK?
The ONLY way to make that spring safe is to tighten the big nut at the back to hold it, put some spacers over the rod so you only use the 'good' thread which has been protected by the nut, use the drawbar pin in the track to take the spring back off its stops. then do up the nut, trying to tighten it with a spanner is asking for trouble. Once the spring is held, if you find further problems, it is safe to carry on. Using chains etc will only turn them into shrapnel if the spring lets go.
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Sat, Feb 3, 2018 4:31 PM
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The ONLY way to make that spring safe is to tighten the big nut at the back to hold it, put some spacers over the rod so you only use the 'good' thread which has been protected by the nut, use the drawbar pin in the track to take the spring back off its stops. then do up the nut, trying to tighten it with a spanner is asking for trouble. Once the spring is held, if you find further problems, it is safe to carry on. Using chains etc will only turn them into shrapnel if the spring lets go.
Thanks catsilver. Got it sorted and found the seals on the piston were the problem.
When I first had the problem with the track adjuster I cut a piece of thick walled ferrule that fit over one of the 9/16 bolt heads of the ring retainer to keep it in position on the adjuster and fitted it between that and the valve plate to maintain the track tension. Worked a treat and did about 200 hours with it. Have just replaced the tracks so had the opportunity to fix the adjuster. The Nylon ring in the piston was broken and had damaged the flat seals (Rings).
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Sat, Feb 3, 2018 5:37 PM
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Thanks catsilver. Got it sorted and found the seals on the piston were the problem.
When I first had the problem with the track adjuster I cut a piece of thick walled ferrule that fit over one of the 9/16 bolt heads of the ring retainer to keep it in position on the adjuster and fitted it between that and the valve plate to maintain the track tension. Worked a treat and did about 200 hours with it. Have just replaced the tracks so had the opportunity to fix the adjuster. The Nylon ring in the piston was broken and had damaged the flat seals (Rings).
You're welcome, I heard of a couple of accidents with recoil springs and witnessed a D4 recoil being cut off when I was 15 years old, the remains of the nut and rod punched a hole in a lightweight block wall 20 yards away, I also heard a D9G drawbar stud break under torque tension alone, when I checked what had happened, it punched a hole in a concrete block wall like a bullet would. So when ever I had to work around recoil springs, I always made them safe with this method before I started.
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Sat, Feb 3, 2018 7:19 PM
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