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Morning all,
I’ve been reading a bunch from this site on the d69u and d6b. I found a d6b locally and have made an offer on it. I’ll be using it on a 150 acre property we’ve recently purchased along side a case 780ck backhoe and possibly a small 2wd tractor. My goal is to upgrade dozered roads and light logging. The d6b has an Isaacson winch, 11’4” angle blade.
I’m not sure yet if my offer will be accepted. It’s low (just above scrap price) but the machine hasn’t run in 2 years, and appears to need work.
I’ll attach as many pics as I can.
Opinions appreciated.
Serial is 44a1334
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Tue, Mar 26, 2019 7:26 PM
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The undercarriage looks well worn on it, and plenty tight. At least it has the bolt on segments for the sprocket, those are nice. As long as you aren't using it all day every day, that undercarriage should still last a few years. Wouldn't be a bad buy if you got it for your offer price.
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Tue, Mar 26, 2019 7:32 PM
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The undercarriage looks well worn on it, and plenty tight. At least it has the bolt on segments for the sprocket, those are nice. As long as you aren't using it all day every day, that undercarriage should still last a few years. Wouldn't be a bad buy if you got it for your offer price.
Looks like it was originly poney start. Was it converted to direct electric start. The poney motor used on this model was a very poor design and likely to self destruct.
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Tue, Mar 26, 2019 7:56 PM
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Looks like it was originly poney start. Was it converted to direct electric start. The poney motor used on this model was a very poor design and likely to self destruct.
I believe the pony is still there. It is electric start. Can anyone tell me how to operate it? I’m not sure if it’s shuttle shift or not. It has two levers on the right side that only go forward and reverse.
Also one steer clutch feels fine but the other (right side) feels like it’s stuck open. You pull the lever all the way back and there is no resistance. Would that be because of the booster?
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Tue, Mar 26, 2019 8:13 PM
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I believe the pony is still there. It is electric start. Can anyone tell me how to operate it? I’m not sure if it’s shuttle shift or not. It has two levers on the right side that only go forward and reverse.
Also one steer clutch feels fine but the other (right side) feels like it’s stuck open. You pull the lever all the way back and there is no resistance. Would that be because of the booster?
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Here’s a picture of the winch.
Also the measurements of the rails from the front of the first pin to the front of the fifth pin are 27”7/8 left side and 27”3/4 on the right. They are Berco rails part # cr2822 and cr2821. These seem to be 6.91 (6.903). Why do I read that those are better than 6.75 which was original?
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Tue, Mar 26, 2019 9:16 PM
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Here’s a picture of the winch.
Also the measurements of the rails from the front of the first pin to the front of the fifth pin are 27”7/8 left side and 27”3/4 on the right. They are Berco rails part # cr2822 and cr2821. These seem to be 6.91 (6.903). Why do I read that those are better than 6.75 which was original?
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6.91" is the current replacement for the non-current 6.75"
6.91" is the match for segmented sprockets
27-3/4" is 30% worn, 27-7/8" is 40% worn.
What do you have left for adjustment?
Bushing OD looks to be worn more than what would be expected for the rail pin/bushing wear.
Rail height is 4.06" new, 3.69" is 100% worn.
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Tue, Mar 26, 2019 11:37 PM
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6.91" is the current replacement for the non-current 6.75"
6.91" is the match for segmented sprockets
27-3/4" is 30% worn, 27-7/8" is 40% worn.
What do you have left for adjustment?
Bushing OD looks to be worn more than what would be expected for the rail pin/bushing wear.
Rail height is 4.06" new, 3.69" is 100% worn.
[quote="Old Magnet"]6.91" is the current replacement for the non-current 6.75"
6.91" is the match for segmented sprockets
27-3/4" is 30% worn, 27-7/8" is 40% worn.
What do you have left for adjustment?
Bushing OD looks to be worn more than what would be expected for the rail pin/bushing wear.
Rail height is 4.06" new, 3.69" is 100% worn.[/quote]

Interesting. The links looked meaty still. I’ll measure them when I get a chance and attach a pic. This machine was kept at our local landfill to bury garbage. Could the bushing wear be a result of the sand used for backfilling? Would new segmented sprockets help? As far as adjustment goes it looks ok to my untrained eye. The only pic I have is of the whole cat that you may be able to zoom in on to see.
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Wed, Mar 27, 2019 1:00 AM
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Tractor is a standard pattern 5 speed manual with first gear forward and to the left. Outer stick is forward and reverse shifter. Forward is with stick back next to seat cushion. Push forward for reverse in 1-4 but if the left stick is in 5th, the reverser doesn't affect it, only goes forward in 5th gear.

I agree with the assessment by OM, unless the internal pins and bushings measurement across 4 links of track is low because the track is not stretched and there is more internal wear than your measurements indicate, the external "drive" surface of the bushings are worn dramatically more than expected. The bushing wear does match the sprocket segment wear fairly well. May be a case of accelerated wear because of the sand you mentioned. The other part of track wear is rail height and roller wear. I guess pictures of the pin bosses and track rollers from the side are probably pretty hard to get until the snow is gone!

Those Berco numbers can't be sealed track can they?

Where is the front idler support in relation to the end of the track frame? At 30% wear there should be several inches of track frame exposed in front of roller support. Maybe there was a pin and bushing turn done on a set of tracks with a lot of previous reverse travel wear from before the turn?

You might want to spend some money on new sprocket segments to prolong the useful life of the track system. They will wear way faster than normal when used with worn tracks, but may be worth sacrificing to the aim of getting by without replacing everything right now $$$$$$$ The good think is you can replace them pretty easily after loosening the track.

The steering clutch may be stuck open or more likely the release bearing has failed. The good thing about that tractor is the steering clutch can be unbolted and lifted out the top after removing the seat
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Wed, Mar 27, 2019 1:07 AM
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Tractor is a standard pattern 5 speed manual with first gear forward and to the left. Outer stick is forward and reverse shifter. Forward is with stick back next to seat cushion. Push forward for reverse in 1-4 but if the left stick is in 5th, the reverser doesn't affect it, only goes forward in 5th gear.

I agree with the assessment by OM, unless the internal pins and bushings measurement across 4 links of track is low because the track is not stretched and there is more internal wear than your measurements indicate, the external "drive" surface of the bushings are worn dramatically more than expected. The bushing wear does match the sprocket segment wear fairly well. May be a case of accelerated wear because of the sand you mentioned. The other part of track wear is rail height and roller wear. I guess pictures of the pin bosses and track rollers from the side are probably pretty hard to get until the snow is gone!

Those Berco numbers can't be sealed track can they?

Where is the front idler support in relation to the end of the track frame? At 30% wear there should be several inches of track frame exposed in front of roller support. Maybe there was a pin and bushing turn done on a set of tracks with a lot of previous reverse travel wear from before the turn?

You might want to spend some money on new sprocket segments to prolong the useful life of the track system. They will wear way faster than normal when used with worn tracks, but may be worth sacrificing to the aim of getting by without replacing everything right now $$$$$$$ The good think is you can replace them pretty easily after loosening the track.

The steering clutch may be stuck open or more likely the release bearing has failed. The good thing about that tractor is the steering clutch can be unbolted and lifted out the top after removing the seat
Thank you gents for your work in helping me out. This forum is a pretty darn incredible resource for guys like me who like to do things themselves.
I’ll see if the owner bites at my offer. I’ve looked at a few dozers. Case450, td9 ih, td15, dresser td7g. All needed stupid amounts of work for the asking $. I hope I’m not too far off on this offer. I’ll let you know.
Thanks again
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Wed, Mar 27, 2019 1:25 AM
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Thank you gents for your work in helping me out. This forum is a pretty darn incredible resource for guys like me who like to do things themselves.
I’ll see if the owner bites at my offer. I’ve looked at a few dozers. Case450, td9 ih, td15, dresser td7g. All needed stupid amounts of work for the asking $. I hope I’m not too far off on this offer. I’ll let you know.
Thanks again
Dizzel
Heard back from the owners son. Looks good. Owners thinking about it for a couple days but the son says yes. I’ll of course wait for confirmation but it’s encouraging anyway. I know the family. Good hardworking people.
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Wed, Mar 27, 2019 8:26 AM
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Heard back from the owners son. Looks good. Owners thinking about it for a couple days but the son says yes. I’ll of course wait for confirmation but it’s encouraging anyway. I know the family. Good hardworking people.
Hi All,
Well it took a bit but we’ve come to an agreement for me to buy the dozer. I stopped by today as the snow has melted a bit. Here’s a couple pics of the idler adjustment left. Also wondering if the links pictures are salt tracks. Not that it matters much I think they’re pretty warn out anyway.
I also took a picture of the water pump. Can anyone offer info on this particular style? I’ve read they are a place to watch on this particular tractor and was wondering if it’s been updated or not.
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