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D69u stearing clutch and brake pulse ??

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deckert d69u
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I've got a 6 that both brake and clutch pulse when I try to use them. Do I have bearings going out??
Once in awhile I hear some noise from that same side when turning.
I've also noticed the pinion is not real smooth Small pits in mateing surfaces.
The gear seems smooth but saw 2 teeth with small chips on the tops.
Any ideas what is happening. ??
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Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:04 AM
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I would guess the pinion bearings are badly worn....need replacing.
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Mon, Oct 22, 2012 5:05 PM
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I would have said the bevel gear shaft bearings more likely than the pinion bearings. I doubt you could feel the pinion bearing. Never heard of it, but I wonder if the bevel gear shaft could be bent. Have heard of them breaking on a D6B, so I suppose it's possible.

If you can look into the bevel gear compartment, put a bar in there and try to move the bevel gear from side to side. Could also (CAREFULLY!) tie both steering clutches back and watch as someone eased the clutch in to see if the bevel gear wobbles any etc.

Usual cause of brake pedal pulsating is the drums are out of round, but that would have no effect on the steering clutches.
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Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:09 PM
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Reply to ccjersey:
I would have said the bevel gear shaft bearings more likely than the pinion bearings. I doubt you could feel the pinion bearing. Never heard of it, but I wonder if the bevel gear shaft could be bent. Have heard of them breaking on a D6B, so I suppose it's possible.

If you can look into the bevel gear compartment, put a bar in there and try to move the bevel gear from side to side. Could also (CAREFULLY!) tie both steering clutches back and watch as someone eased the clutch in to see if the bevel gear wobbles any etc.

Usual cause of brake pedal pulsating is the drums are out of round, but that would have no effect on the steering clutches.
It's not unusual to have the final drive pinion bearings go out on the 8/9U's. This causes loss of brake drum centering that affects both brake and clutch operation with typical pulsations. If left uncorrected it will eventually hog out the bearing race bore in the final drive case.....and other problems.
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Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:22 PM
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It's not unusual to have the final drive pinion bearings go out on the 8/9U's. This causes loss of brake drum centering that affects both brake and clutch operation with typical pulsations. If left uncorrected it will eventually hog out the bearing race bore in the final drive case.....and other problems.
The pinion flange may be lose on tapered pinion splines also !
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Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:33 PM
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OK, now I'm with you. I was thinking pinion on bevel gear, not pinion on bull gear.
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Tue, Oct 23, 2012 12:39 AM
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OK, now I'm with you. I was thinking pinion on bevel gear, not pinion on bull gear.
ok , I had the stearing boosters out for seal replacement and the pinion coming out of tranny is the one thats pitted..
I also think the bearing outward of the brake drum is bad. had to back off clutch adj on that side to keep clutch from slipping. pulls solid now
but still pulses..hence bad bearing ??..Ive got 6-8 hours work do i dare run it that much?? then i can get in shop and work it over good.
Les
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Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:29 AM
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Reply to deckert d69u:
ok , I had the stearing boosters out for seal replacement and the pinion coming out of tranny is the one thats pitted..
I also think the bearing outward of the brake drum is bad. had to back off clutch adj on that side to keep clutch from slipping. pulls solid now
but still pulses..hence bad bearing ??..Ive got 6-8 hours work do i dare run it that much?? then i can get in shop and work it over good.
I can't tell how bad it is but that's not a condition to live with. It's not just the bearing wear and pulsing that is the issue. Allowing the pinion to cock puts extreme loading on the gear teeth ends that can result in catastrophic final drive damage.
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Tue, Oct 23, 2012 11:49 AM
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