ACMOC
Login | Register
ACMOC
D69U oil and filter change

D69U oil and filter change

Showing 1 to 10 of 13 results
1
johnstone
Topic Author
Offline
Send a private message to johnstone
Posts: 62
Thank you received: 0
Today I did my first oil and filters change on my 9U.....ran into a few things I did no expect. Cleaned all the crap at the hole in the belly pan and got the plug out of the oil pan and all the oil came flowing out into my large pan on the ground...so far so good. next I removed the covers from the oil filters. the left came off fine and exposed the disposable filter. When I loosened the right one, the top came off ok but the housing also became loose and oil started to leak from the bottom of the housing....the housing was loose and could be spun around but would not come off...is there a way to tighten the housing onto the base?
I could not get to the drain plug at the bottom of the filter base...the belly pan is in the way. The filter housing stayed 1/2 full of oil and did not drain out...is this normal? There was only disposable filters in the cannisters and not the metallic strainer elements like the book shows...is this ok, or do I need to get some? Sorry about all the questions but it seems like nothing is ever simple!

John
1954 D47U, 1957 D69U, 1987 JD 950
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sat, Dec 15, 2012 7:47 AM
Old Magnet
Offline
Send a private message to Old Magnet
Posts: 16,667
Thank you received: 0
Not unusual to have the filter can get loose, they really depend on the top through bolt to hold them down. They are retained by a sort of flat and curved friction washer affair that ain't the greatest. A little metal rework with a hammer usually tunes them up after you take the assembly apart which requires a home made long deep socket.

Apparently you have the full flow filter conversion which uses the disposable cartridge.

Usually the oil will drain down on it's own but may take awhile but that's what the drain plug is for.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sat, Dec 15, 2012 8:47 AM
drujinin
Offline
Send a private message to drujinin
Posts: 3,852
Thank you received: 0
Reply to Old Magnet:
Not unusual to have the filter can get loose, they really depend on the top through bolt to hold them down. They are retained by a sort of flat and curved friction washer affair that ain't the greatest. A little metal rework with a hammer usually tunes them up after you take the assembly apart which requires a home made long deep socket.

Apparently you have the full flow filter conversion which uses the disposable cartridge.

Usually the oil will drain down on it's own but may take awhile but that's what the drain plug is for.
If that housing came loose as he describes, then would/should there be an O-ring same as the top?
Inquiring minds may need to know.....
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sun, Dec 16, 2012 1:31 AM
Inter674
Offline
Send a private message to Inter674
Posts: 828
Thank you received: 0
Reply to drujinin:
If that housing came loose as he describes, then would/should there be an O-ring same as the top?
Inquiring minds may need to know.....
the retainer washer below the nut and spacer has bent. Getting the central nut out is a PIA requiring a 1 7/8" (?) tube spanner, and the O ring which is square in profile is a smaller diameter than the top one. I stupidly dismantled mine, throwing the old O rings out before the filters arrived, only to find the o rings did not come with the filter. Argh....now I have to find where to get them.

So I would leave them alone as long as they look OK, the unit will seal back up again. Use an oil sucker/filler device to get most of the oil out, the rest should not matter too much..
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sun, Dec 16, 2012 1:49 AM
ThomasFrazier
Offline
Send a private message to ThomasFrazier
Posts: 25
Thank you received: 0
Reply to drujinin:
If that housing came loose as he describes, then would/should there be an O-ring same as the top?
Inquiring minds may need to know.....
[quote="drujinin"]If that housing came loose as he describes, then would/should there be an O-ring same as the top?
Inquiring minds may need to know.....[/quote]

There is an o ring at the bottom of the cannister. These harden with age and will often leak once the cannister breaks loose from the base. The old o rings have to be picked and dug and pried out of the groove. I've seen them harden to the extent you would bet you were down to the bottom of the groove when you were not. Just a little time and patience will do the trick. The o ring is like the square one in the groove of the cap.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sun, Dec 16, 2012 1:55 AM
John from Fresno
Offline
Send a private message to John from Fresno
Posts: 286
Thank you received: 0
Reply to ThomasFrazier:
[quote="drujinin"]If that housing came loose as he describes, then would/should there be an O-ring same as the top?
Inquiring minds may need to know.....[/quote]

There is an o ring at the bottom of the cannister. These harden with age and will often leak once the cannister breaks loose from the base. The old o rings have to be picked and dug and pried out of the groove. I've seen them harden to the extent you would bet you were down to the bottom of the groove when you were not. Just a little time and patience will do the trick. The o ring is like the square one in the groove of the cap.
Okay,

Here is what you do. Go to a local swap meet or yard sale and get you a "No Name" socket the correct size. I tend to get 3/4" drives that are 6 point. You don't want to buy and expensive Proto or Snap On. Cut the socket in half and weld a section of pipe in between the two socket halves. See picture. Then you can remove the can and replace that old hard square gasket at the bottom. Now, you can take another square gasket that is too big in diameter and just cut it at a 45 degree angle with a new single edge razor blade. Then take a new tube of super glue and glue it together to make the new smaller diameter. You should cut it so the can when squeezes down actually squeezes the 45 degree joint together. So the joint should not be vertical when installed but rather horizontal.

I hope this helps,

John
Attachment
Attachment
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sun, Dec 16, 2012 2:40 AM
fordhook
Offline
Send a private message to fordhook
Posts: 137
Thank you received: 0
Reply to John from Fresno:
Okay,

Here is what you do. Go to a local swap meet or yard sale and get you a "No Name" socket the correct size. I tend to get 3/4" drives that are 6 point. You don't want to buy and expensive Proto or Snap On. Cut the socket in half and weld a section of pipe in between the two socket halves. See picture. Then you can remove the can and replace that old hard square gasket at the bottom. Now, you can take another square gasket that is too big in diameter and just cut it at a 45 degree angle with a new single edge razor blade. Then take a new tube of super glue and glue it together to make the new smaller diameter. You should cut it so the can when squeezes down actually squeezes the 45 degree joint together. So the joint should not be vertical when installed but rather horizontal.

I hope this helps,

John
Attachment
Attachment
I think those o-rings are still available through the caterpillar parts system.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sun, Dec 16, 2012 4:32 AM
johnstone
Topic Author
Offline
Send a private message to johnstone
Posts: 62
Thank you received: 0
Reply to fordhook:
I think those o-rings are still available through the caterpillar parts system.
I let the oil drain overnight and there is still about 1 inch on the bottom of the filter cans. What is keeping that oil from draining out to the pan?......is there some restriction between the filter can and the oil pan?....is it sludge or what?
Hey OM, what is a full flow conversion,.......is it just changing from an inner element plus a metallic strainer element like the book shows to one element like I have in the picture?
Hey John from Fresno, that is a good idea on how to make a tool to remove the filter can. I will keep my eyes open for a socket the right size next time I'm at the flea market. Can anyone confirm that it is 1 7/8" as Inter674 mentioned?
Those orings for below the can are available through Cat.....$4.06

John
1954 D47U, 1957 D69U, 1987 JD 950
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sun, Dec 16, 2012 6:23 AM
johnstone
Topic Author
Offline
Send a private message to johnstone
Posts: 62
Thank you received: 0
Reply to johnstone:
I let the oil drain overnight and there is still about 1 inch on the bottom of the filter cans. What is keeping that oil from draining out to the pan?......is there some restriction between the filter can and the oil pan?....is it sludge or what?
Hey OM, what is a full flow conversion,.......is it just changing from an inner element plus a metallic strainer element like the book shows to one element like I have in the picture?
Hey John from Fresno, that is a good idea on how to make a tool to remove the filter can. I will keep my eyes open for a socket the right size next time I'm at the flea market. Can anyone confirm that it is 1 7/8" as Inter674 mentioned?
Those orings for below the can are available through Cat.....$4.06

John
Here it is....[attachment=15700]DD6 oil filters 001.jpg[/attachment]
Attachment
1954 D47U, 1957 D69U, 1987 JD 950
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sun, Dec 16, 2012 6:26 AM
Old Magnet
Offline
Send a private message to Old Magnet
Posts: 16,667
Thank you received: 0
Reply to johnstone:
Here it is....[attachment=15700]DD6 oil filters 001.jpg[/attachment]
Attachment
Your tractor has the full flow conversion parts that uses the disposable cartridge filter. Takes a 1-3/8" socket on the full flow conversion retaining nut. (Takes a 1-1/2" socket if you are removing the old by-pass guts)
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sun, Dec 16, 2012 6:54 AM
Old Magnet
Offline
Send a private message to Old Magnet
Posts: 16,667
Thank you received: 0
Reply to Old Magnet:
Your tractor has the full flow conversion parts that uses the disposable cartridge filter. Takes a 1-3/8" socket on the full flow conversion retaining nut. (Takes a 1-1/2" socket if you are removing the old by-pass guts)
Forgot one of your questions...
Slow oil drain back may be a good thing as the oil has to travel back though oil pump clearances. I'd have to check the oil flow diagram but you may be getting oil draining back from the oil cooler as well.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Mon, Dec 17, 2012 11:09 AM
Showing 1 to 10 of 13 results
1
YouTube Video Placeholder

Follow Us on Social Media

Our channel highlights machines from the earliest Holt and Best track-type tractors, equipment from the start of Caterpillar in 1925, up to units built in the mid-1960s.

Upcoming Events

KORUMBURRA WORKING HORSE & TRACTOR & 100 YEARS OF CAT RALLY

Chapter Nineteen

| 5875 STH GIPPSLAND HWY, NYORA

Booleroo 2025

Chapter Thirty

| Booleroo Centre, 54 Arthur St, Booleroo Centre SA 5482, Australia

CAFES 2025 TULARE, CALIFORNIA

Chapter Fifteen

| Tulare, California

Wheatlands Warracknabeal Easter Rally

Chapter Nineteen

| 34 Henty Hwy, Warracknabeal
View Calendar
ACMOC

Antique Caterpillar
Machinery Owners Club

1115 Madison St NE # 1117
Salem, OR 97301

[email protected]

Terms & Privacy
Website developed by AdCo

Testimonials

"I also joined a year ago. had been on here a couple of times as a non-member and found the info very helpful so I got a one year subscription (not very expensive at all) to try it out. I really like all the resources on here so I just got a three year. I think its a very small price for what you can get out of this site."
-Jason N

Join Today!