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Moving into correcting the brakes. The left adjustment nut feels like its stripped. Does that happen when nearing end of life on bands and someone tries to get just a little more? Also I noticed that when brake petal is pressed that brake drum has some wiggle to it. Is this normal or an indication of bearing failure on the final drive side of things. And did the play in drum cause problems with the brake band adjustment setup. Justs wanted to make sure I had the problem fixed rt. Instead of masking something else. Thanks
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Fri, Dec 16, 2016 12:00 AM
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Can be stripped at any time, especially when it bottoms out.
Not a good sign when the brake pedal pulses. Minor amount might be normal wear but excess means final drive pinion bearings are going out, pinion flange splines are bad or brake drum bolts are loose.
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Fri, Dec 16, 2016 3:23 AM
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Can be stripped at any time, especially when it bottoms out.
Not a good sign when the brake pedal pulses. Minor amount might be normal wear but excess means final drive pinion bearings are going out, pinion flange splines are bad or brake drum bolts are loose.
update on the brakes. some how the nut seperated. it basically broke at the threads. the fork is fine and bands look useable. so new nut and back together. thanks
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Sat, Dec 17, 2016 7:38 AM
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update on the brakes. some how the nut seperated. it basically broke at the threads. the fork is fine and bands look useable. so new nut and back together. thanks
got brakes adjusted today. however i got a question. with correct brake pedal feel and free play should the brake bands still be alittle loose while resting on the brake drum. if so mine are not, them seem to be pulled up pretty tight and thats with the set screw on the bottom still backed off. the bands looked like they had some life left in them but ive been wrong before. what is the thickness spec on a new set of brake bands?
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Thu, Dec 22, 2016 7:13 PM
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got brakes adjusted today. however i got a question. with correct brake pedal feel and free play should the brake bands still be alittle loose while resting on the brake drum. if so mine are not, them seem to be pulled up pretty tight and thats with the set screw on the bottom still backed off. the bands looked like they had some life left in them but ive been wrong before. what is the thickness spec on a new set of brake bands?
New brake linings are 6.4mm thick (0.252"). Don't know about the bands themselves.
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Thu, Dec 22, 2016 11:11 PM
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Adjust the support screw to spec. It helps keep the band from sagging into a slight oval so it drags on the top side. If the tractor drives and turns properly, run it!
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Fri, Dec 23, 2016 1:33 AM
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Adjust the support screw to spec. It helps keep the band from sagging into a slight oval so it drags on the top side. If the tractor drives and turns properly, run it!
thanks for all the help again🤘
got the brakes where they should be. got the rt steering clutch set, but having issues with the left clutch(if u are sitting on the machine). i turned the large nut out away from the center of the machine and got ruffly 4.5 inches of play at the lever. but when i try and bring that down to 3 inches by moving the nut out more i get the opposite effect. the freeplay jumps back to around 6 inches. i am i overcentering the clutch like in a tractor with a dry clutch or is it another problem that ive uncovered. should i just go back to the spot where i got some freeplay and some resistance on the lever? the left side has more wear on the linkages and pins.
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Sat, Dec 24, 2016 11:02 AM
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Tighten the nut (screw toward centerline of tractor) to reduce free travel. Loosen nut toward brake band to increase free travel.

One thing to watch is the condition of the bumpers the levers rest against in the floor of the tractor. If these are crushed you get travel that doesn't translate to the clutch pack instead it just opens up space between the pushrod and the plunger in the booster unit. That slack should be minimal, 1/16" between plunger face and pushrod, though I don't know how you would ever measure it since its up in the front of the booster! I take that to mean that there is some slack there before the booster plunger starts to move and check it by feel.

Conversely you can have sticks etc trapped in front of the levers that prevent them from returning forward all the way and adjusting to the 3" spec at the bottom of the grips will leave you with clutches that do not disengage completely.

Sounds like you will be dozing soon!
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Sat, Dec 24, 2016 11:41 PM
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Tighten the nut (screw toward centerline of tractor) to reduce free travel. Loosen nut toward brake band to increase free travel.

One thing to watch is the condition of the bumpers the levers rest against in the floor of the tractor. If these are crushed you get travel that doesn't translate to the clutch pack instead it just opens up space between the pushrod and the plunger in the booster unit. That slack should be minimal, 1/16" between plunger face and pushrod, though I don't know how you would ever measure it since its up in the front of the booster! I take that to mean that there is some slack there before the booster plunger starts to move and check it by feel.

Conversely you can have sticks etc trapped in front of the levers that prevent them from returning forward all the way and adjusting to the 3" spec at the bottom of the grips will leave you with clutches that do not disengage completely.

Sounds like you will be dozing soon!
thanks ccjersey and merry christmas
i guess im suffering from "its going to be a simply fix that turns into a PROJECT fatigue!" i reread my notes and manuals. oh found that 20 gallons diesel disappeared into the crankcase. Sighhhhhhh. many thanks
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Sun, Dec 25, 2016 1:16 AM
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Hope you had a good Christmas day too.

My next project involving yellow iron is installing a replacement engine in a D69U we sold to a neighbor a couple years ago. He didn't catch the fuel had diluted the oil and it started knocking before he shut it down. I went and checked the crankshaft for him and it was past turning undersize even with aftermarket bearings 0.050 undersize, so we knew it had to come out. He put it back together to load it and bring it to me and it threw the rod into the side cover before they unloaded. At least it missed the injection pump housing and governor that we may need before this is all over.

As I am sure you have seen if you read this board much, the usual culprit that puts the fuel in the crankcase is the o-ring between the fuel injection pump housing and the fuel filter tower. On older tractors there is a second one on the rear end of the fuel passage on the governor end of the housing.
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Mon, Dec 26, 2016 9:35 PM
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Hope you had a good Christmas day too.

My next project involving yellow iron is installing a replacement engine in a D69U we sold to a neighbor a couple years ago. He didn't catch the fuel had diluted the oil and it started knocking before he shut it down. I went and checked the crankshaft for him and it was past turning undersize even with aftermarket bearings 0.050 undersize, so we knew it had to come out. He put it back together to load it and bring it to me and it threw the rod into the side cover before they unloaded. At least it missed the injection pump housing and governor that we may need before this is all over.

As I am sure you have seen if you read this board much, the usual culprit that puts the fuel in the crankcase is the o-ring between the fuel injection pump housing and the fuel filter tower. On older tractors there is a second one on the rear end of the fuel passage on the governor end of the housing.
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yes ive been studing old posts on d6-9u cats. since the machine has been resting for some odd 15yrs. ive been regularly checking the oil and fuel levels to make sure the crankcase oil wasn't being diluted. after a few engine heat cycles i thought i was good to go so i filled the tank up completely and the next day i noticed the it was wet around the dipstick for the engine. and when i pulled the stick she was completely wet. i know the orings are a problem but how can that much fuel get passed the transferpump and injectionpump so fast. along with the orings do i need to repack/seal the transfer pump? if so who or where is a good place to have that done.
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