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D6 9U transmission cracked

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snowshoveler
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While looking things over after running up the pony.
I discovered a crack on the right hand side running almost the length of the transmission.
Its about 4 inches up the side. I suspect a freeze crack and its been there a long time.
Had some sort of sealer on it.
Is this a cast steel or cast iron.
Is it a weld up job or should I be looking for a transmision.
I could just about weld it inplace but would of course be better if removed, v it out and weld it proper.
However if removed should I replace it or do you think welding is okay for a hobby crawler.
Thanks for now.
Chris
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Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:54 AM
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If its been there a long time and had sealer on it I would try JB weld and check for leakage. Had a frost crack on an engine block once and JB weld lasted a long time.
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Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:10 AM
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If its been there a long time and had sealer on it I would try JB weld and check for leakage. Had a frost crack on an engine block once and JB weld lasted a long time.
Whatever the sealer was I peeled it right off with a putty knife.
If its weldable...I think I will bribe KoO with cheezewhiz.
He could weld it in about 2 sandwiches time or less.
Thanks Chris
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Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:23 AM
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Reply to snowshoveler:
Whatever the sealer was I peeled it right off with a putty knife.
If its weldable...I think I will bribe KoO with cheezewhiz.
He could weld it in about 2 sandwiches time or less.
Thanks Chris
Well, you got your lump of coal for Christmas.....sorry to hear that but it's not all that uncommon, seems they either bust out on the RH side or on the bottom if not running a skid pan. No freezing required.

I'm pretty certain the case is cast iron. I keep a spare case on hand here. From what I've heard they don't take to well to welding repairs due to the stresses involved. I'd look for another trans or case and at least do a reseal and gaskets in the process.

So, you had to go bragging huh!!!!!! that'l learn ya.
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Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:13 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
Well, you got your lump of coal for Christmas.....sorry to hear that but it's not all that uncommon, seems they either bust out on the RH side or on the bottom if not running a skid pan. No freezing required.

I'm pretty certain the case is cast iron. I keep a spare case on hand here. From what I've heard they don't take to well to welding repairs due to the stresses involved. I'd look for another trans or case and at least do a reseal and gaskets in the process.

So, you had to go bragging huh!!!!!! that'l learn ya.
Well I won't whine too much about the crack.
I did buy the crawler for 1000 bucks after all and drove it on the trailer after you helped me get it going.
I have to check my Buddy Billies shop he may have the case, I know he has the internals resting in oil filled drums.
Could be messy, ha ha. But might as well do it proper.
Regards Chris
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Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:23 AM
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Reply to snowshoveler:
Well I won't whine too much about the crack.
I did buy the crawler for 1000 bucks after all and drove it on the trailer after you helped me get it going.
I have to check my Buddy Billies shop he may have the case, I know he has the internals resting in oil filled drums.
Could be messy, ha ha. But might as well do it proper.
Regards Chris
Might try lock-n-stitch

http://www.locknstitch.com/Metal_Stitching.htm
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Thu, Dec 13, 2012 10:11 AM
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Might try lock-n-stitch

http://www.locknstitch.com/Metal_Stitching.htm
The welding process that may work on this transmission case would be to vee out the crack by grinding. Then stick weld with nickel rod.

Requires a lot of patience by the person doing the welding. You have to keep the casting basically at room temperature. Only welding very short welds and waiting in-between welds, keeping the casting cool.

There is no guarantee that more cracks will not develop alongside the original crack.

There may be other specialty rods that would replace the nickel rod. Low temperature is the key.
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Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:11 AM
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Reply to fordhook:
The welding process that may work on this transmission case would be to vee out the crack by grinding. Then stick weld with nickel rod.

Requires a lot of patience by the person doing the welding. You have to keep the casting basically at room temperature. Only welding very short welds and waiting in-between welds, keeping the casting cool.

There is no guarantee that more cracks will not develop alongside the original crack.

There may be other specialty rods that would replace the nickel rod. Low temperature is the key.
ss, I have a good D68U transmission for sale.
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Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:33 AM
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ss, I have a good D68U transmission for sale.
Hey SnowShoveler,

Not to step on Oil Slicks toes, but a gent in Petaluma is scraping a 9u. I know the tranny is there. I don't know the condition. If you want me to check it out PM me.-glen
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Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:53 PM
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Hey SnowShoveler,

Not to step on Oil Slicks toes, but a gent in Petaluma is scraping a 9u. I know the tranny is there. I don't know the condition. If you want me to check it out PM me.-glen
I tried to edit my profile to say I live in Nova Scotia...A little to far to ship economically.
If I can find a case at my buddies I will swap it out.
If no case available local....might bubblegum it.
Regards Chris
193? d4400 cat powerunit
1950 john deere M
1959 international t5 crawler
1977 powerking 1216 tractor
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Thu, Dec 13, 2012 7:08 PM
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I tried to edit my profile to say I live in Nova Scotia...A little to far to ship economically.
If I can find a case at my buddies I will swap it out.
If no case available local....might bubblegum it.
Regards Chris
did someone mention cheese whiz????

can you post a picture of the crack??? is the crack below the oil level???

maybe just JB welded it again and hope for the best. if you change out the trans there are few other things that can be fixed while you are doing that.

thansk
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