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I have a 1954 D69U that I've been playing with for about a year now. I got it with the hopes of clearing some land. When I bought it, it had a lot of blow by and was in bad need of a new set of rings. I've rebuilt many tractors, so didn't think this would be much different. So I replaced the rings, liners, and had the cylinder head machined with all new valves, guides, seats, and springs. Slapped it back together and no start. Posted on here a few times to try and figure it out, still no luck. Tried new injector nozzles, new fuel pressure gauge, even added an external fuel pump. Just can't figure it out. So thinking it was a compression issue, I pulled it back apart looking for broken rings, etc... Noticed a pinched ferrule. Thought that was the issue, put new seals, ferrules, and gaskets (including another head gasket), bolted it back together. Bled the fuel system, set the rocker clearances, cranked it up, still no start! Getting a lot of fuel to the engine, lots of diesel smoke pumping through that motor. It is acting like the timing is off, but I never had the crank out or even removed the injector pump. Is there anyway the timing could be out? Is there anything that the machinist could have screwed up in the head when he was redoing it, or a way to check the head without pulling it for a 3rd time? At this point, I am seriously considering scrapping it, but got way more into it than it is worth so I'd be loosing thousands if I do that. Any advice?
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Sat, Mar 9, 2013 4:23 AM
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Have you tried a sniff of ether?
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Sat, Mar 9, 2013 5:35 AM
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Have you tried a sniff of ether?
Did you angage the compression lever
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Sat, Mar 9, 2013 6:15 AM
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Did you angage the compression lever
Did you give a good hard pull on the throttle? They will still smoke in the off position.
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Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:10 AM
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Did you angage the compression lever
Thanks for the advice. It will give a little chug with ether. The compression release is disconnected. The pony was frozen up, so I pulled it out, converted it to a 24V electric start, and made a battery box where the pony used to sit. I appreciate the advice. I ended up ordering a diesel compression gauge off ebay. Keeping my fingers crossed and hoping it is something stupid. Will be playing with it again tomorrow, I'll keep you guys posted...
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Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:11 AM
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Thanks for the advice. It will give a little chug with ether. The compression release is disconnected. The pony was frozen up, so I pulled it out, converted it to a 24V electric start, and made a battery box where the pony used to sit. I appreciate the advice. I ended up ordering a diesel compression gauge off ebay. Keeping my fingers crossed and hoping it is something stupid. Will be playing with it again tomorrow, I'll keep you guys posted...


markpa13, make sure the injection lines are in the right order on the pump. hade an 8 do the same thing.👋
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Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:41 AM
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Valve clearances set to 12 thousandths cold? Set using the timing marks on the flywheel and checked against the injection pump lifters moving? The flywheel on those old engines will go on wrong. There is only a chisel mark on the crankshaft flange and flywheel to go by. You can get close enough to set the valves by sticking a wire down through the precombustion chamber to feel the top of the piston and compare to the timing marks, valve movements and injection pumps.

Just because the decompression lever is disconnected doesn't mean it's off, so check that when you crank it it will turn a lot faster if you push the lever at the back of the valve cover away from you (to right side of tractor).

If I had it here, I would have already pulled it a mile or two! Just remember there is no reverse in 5th, so that is the safest gear to pull forward in. Or just note that reverser is forward to go backward and back to go forward. Get that wrong and you can get oil on your pants legs and boots!

Also snatch that throttle back hard. Easy to get confused on the direction (don't ask!) or have the linkage binding up or worn so you don't get it over the shutoff detent.

If it chugs on ether put a bigger dose in it! But seriously, you have to be having fuel delivery problems. Have you bled the injector lines at the injectors. If all else fails warm the intake air. Do you still have the pony exhaust tube in the diesel intake? Propane torch through there would do a lot of good. Or just stick it in the hole where you blocked that off.

Keep working at it.
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Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:36 AM
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Valve clearances set to 12 thousandths cold? Set using the timing marks on the flywheel and checked against the injection pump lifters moving? The flywheel on those old engines will go on wrong. There is only a chisel mark on the crankshaft flange and flywheel to go by. You can get close enough to set the valves by sticking a wire down through the precombustion chamber to feel the top of the piston and compare to the timing marks, valve movements and injection pumps.

Just because the decompression lever is disconnected doesn't mean it's off, so check that when you crank it it will turn a lot faster if you push the lever at the back of the valve cover away from you (to right side of tractor).

If I had it here, I would have already pulled it a mile or two! Just remember there is no reverse in 5th, so that is the safest gear to pull forward in. Or just note that reverser is forward to go backward and back to go forward. Get that wrong and you can get oil on your pants legs and boots!

Also snatch that throttle back hard. Easy to get confused on the direction (don't ask!) or have the linkage binding up or worn so you don't get it over the shutoff detent.

If it chugs on ether put a bigger dose in it! But seriously, you have to be having fuel delivery problems. Have you bled the injector lines at the injectors. If all else fails warm the intake air. Do you still have the pony exhaust tube in the diesel intake? Propane torch through there would do a lot of good. Or just stick it in the hole where you blocked that off.

Keep working at it.
I don't read any mention of checking the rack movement. Get the side cover off the fuel injection pump housing and check to see you are getting full rack travel.
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Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:51 AM
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I don't read any mention of checking the rack movement. Get the side cover off the fuel injection pump housing and check to see you are getting full rack travel.
This tractor was converted to electric start, and I see no mention of glowplugs added. If that is the case It will need a sniff of ether to fire. There is no way of preheating the air. It wont fire unless it is warm out side or the engine has been run lately.
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Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:43 AM
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This tractor was converted to electric start, and I see no mention of glowplugs added. If that is the case It will need a sniff of ether to fire. There is no way of preheating the air. It wont fire unless it is warm out side or the engine has been run lately.


Now THAT is an excellent observation!
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Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:16 AM
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markpa13, make sure the injection lines are in the right order on the pump. hade an 8 do the same thing.👋
I played with her again today, kept repeating the process for bleeding the lines and gave it a shot of ether, and it actually fired. I continued to bleed some lines while it was running and the motor seems to run smoothly. However, it is throwing a lot of white smoke and I'm even getting some oily liquid coming down the exhaust stack (condensation?). The antifreeze levels did not drop overnight, so I'm not sure if it is coolant getting in. I let it run for about 30 mins to operating temperature and it did not seem to go away. Everything is new in it, so I doubt the head gasket is blown. I included some pics. Any advice...
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