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Hey guys,

I finally got the old girl into the shop to fix the clutch that just wouldn't pull no more, plus add a canopy that would save me should a tree fall the wrong way. Looking into the clutch housings it quickly became apparent there was more here than I first thought. The final pinion seals are shot and the bearings are not far behind as well as the bevel gear case seal on one side.

Cleaning up parts and looking over the clutch pads I found a couple that the teeth are clearly worn down as in the one picture. The picture shows a good disc on the left with a thickness of .187" and good teeth while on the right the disc has a thickness of .183" and worn teeth. As a total pack the thickness is 3.325" or 3 5/16" which is great but would you keep those two discs that the teeth are worn down?

I was going to give all the discs a good cleaning and a quick buff with some sandpaper then measure again but don't think the measure would change that much.

Then one brake drum had a ridge on the outside lip so we chucked it up and turned that off, I cant find any reference to the dia of the drum. Measured with a tape and have it roughly 16 5/8" same as the one that looks good. This a good measure? or should I be looking for better drums?

I called Cat for some price quotes and they came back with $46 and $28 for the clutch springs and $170 for the clutch plate. Online tractorparts has the springs at $4.50 and $3, and discs at $22. Has anybody ever had luck with these springs? how about their clutch discs? Would two aftermarket discs in the pack make that much difference? Any chance of those teeth wearing right off and causing problems?

I was told this old girl is a collection of different tractors over the years so its hard to say just how old those discs are but the thickness isn't that different. I don't want to open this up for a long time but I'm also trying to watch my $.

Merry Christmas.
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Thu, Dec 17, 2015 10:03 AM
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It's not just about worn discs. If the teeth are that worn better be looking at the splines in the drum. When they get grooved the discs can hang up and interfere with clutch operation.
www.steeringclutch.com has been a good source for parts.

Drum diameter is good until you run out of brake band adjustment.
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Thu, Dec 17, 2015 10:20 AM
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It's not just about worn discs. If the teeth are that worn better be looking at the splines in the drum. When they get grooved the discs can hang up and interfere with clutch operation.
www.steeringclutch.com has been a good source for parts.

Drum diameter is good until you run out of brake band adjustment.
Thanks Old Magnet,

That's the same site I was looking at. would you rely on the discs and springs from there as you would from Cat?

quite the cost savings but then you ask why?
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Thu, Dec 17, 2015 10:30 AM
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Thanks Old Magnet,

That's the same site I was looking at. would you rely on the discs and springs from there as you would from Cat?

quite the cost savings but then you ask why?
I'm using their clutch discs, steering and main, so far all is good. Haven't used the springs but I'm sure others have. Been a reliable source for quite some time. I wouldn't hesitate to use their springs. Never can tell where Cat is sourcing their stuff from these days.
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Thu, Dec 17, 2015 11:07 AM
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I'm using their clutch discs, steering and main, so far all is good. Haven't used the springs but I'm sure others have. Been a reliable source for quite some time. I wouldn't hesitate to use their springs. Never can tell where Cat is sourcing their stuff from these days.
While your in there replace the pinion seals, they look like there leaking getting the clutches wet.
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Thu, Dec 17, 2015 8:35 PM
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While your in there replace the pinion seals, they look like there leaking getting the clutches wet.
seals, bearings and gaskets are ordered from Cat

springs, brake kit and friction discs ordered from www.steeringclutch.com now its just wait for the parts to come. Should have everything cleaned and prepped for when they get here.
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Fri, Dec 18, 2015 9:05 AM
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seals, bearings and gaskets are ordered from Cat

springs, brake kit and friction discs ordered from www.steeringclutch.com now its just wait for the parts to come. Should have everything cleaned and prepped for when they get here.
Got my parts from cat on the 24th, had the fil pick them up for me as I couldn't get there before they closed.

Of all the parts I was told the 6b5162 race had been superseded with 5p9176 which is no problem they are the experts with the parts programs right? Opened up the parts and this new race 5p9176 is a bearing not a race...... this bearing looks the same as the 6b5163 but smaller and more rollers. Have to wait now until cat opens up to call and correct this problem, so much for starting the assembly this weekend......

any idea why they would replace a race with a bearing? or just to frustrate people?

Hope everyone had a good Christmas.
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Mon, Dec 28, 2015 9:00 AM
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Got my parts from cat on the 24th, had the fil pick them up for me as I couldn't get there before they closed.

Of all the parts I was told the 6b5162 race had been superseded with 5p9176 which is no problem they are the experts with the parts programs right? Opened up the parts and this new race 5p9176 is a bearing not a race...... this bearing looks the same as the 6b5163 but smaller and more rollers. Have to wait now until cat opens up to call and correct this problem, so much for starting the assembly this weekend......

any idea why they would replace a race with a bearing? or just to frustrate people?

Hope everyone had a good Christmas.
[quote="DDDfarmer"]Got my parts from cat on the 24th, had the fil pick them up for me as I couldn't get there before they closed.

Of all the parts I was told the 6b5162 race had been superseded with 5p9176 which is no problem they are the experts with the parts programs right? Opened up the parts and this new race 5p9176 is a bearing not a race...... this bearing looks the same as the 6b5163 but smaller and more rollers. Have to wait now until cat opens up to call and correct this problem, so much for starting the assembly this weekend......

any idea why they would replace a race with a bearing? or just to frustrate people?

Hope everyone had a good Christmas.[/quote]

6B5162 race was supereceded by 2P2810 but is now superseded by 6B5163 which is the race and roller assembly together. I don't see where the 5P9176 came into the picture, maybe some other bearing or race that you ordered.
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Mon, Dec 28, 2015 10:21 AM
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[quote="DDDfarmer"]Got my parts from cat on the 24th, had the fil pick them up for me as I couldn't get there before they closed.

Of all the parts I was told the 6b5162 race had been superseded with 5p9176 which is no problem they are the experts with the parts programs right? Opened up the parts and this new race 5p9176 is a bearing not a race...... this bearing looks the same as the 6b5163 but smaller and more rollers. Have to wait now until cat opens up to call and correct this problem, so much for starting the assembly this weekend......

any idea why they would replace a race with a bearing? or just to frustrate people?

Hope everyone had a good Christmas.[/quote]

6B5162 race was supereceded by 2P2810 but is now superseded by 6B5163 which is the race and roller assembly together. I don't see where the 5P9176 came into the picture, maybe some other bearing or race that you ordered.
no race came with 6b5163 as it is only the roller assembly( roller and outer race assembled) the race 6b5162 I was told was superseded with 5p9176 which just happens to be another roller assembly. So I should order 2p2810 which was 6b5162 for the inner race? I'm going by my parts book form #32595.

Of the two roller assembly's that they sent 6b5162 - 6b5163 the only difference ( without mic-ing) that I can see is the number and size of the rollers. Which would stand up to the pressure of the inner pinion shaft( closer to the clutch) better than the other? More smaller rollers or less larger?
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Mon, Dec 28, 2015 10:50 AM
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