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D6 9U Converting to electric start

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Just removed pull start pony, making steel cover, and also two battery, battery box to fit in its place.
Question: Does anyone have a copy of the temp plate and or instructions to drill the three starter mounting bolt holes and the nose cone hole in exactly the right place? Thank You for taking the time to help me!!!
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Thu, Apr 7, 2016 6:34 AM
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Did you look thru the sticky on converting ponies to direct electric at the top of the discussion page?
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Thu, Apr 7, 2016 7:22 AM
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Reply to old-iron-habit:
Did you look thru the sticky on converting ponies to direct electric at the top of the discussion page?
Unfortunately there seems to be some debate about the vertical location dimension for the template center so until I can get this verified do not use the locating dimensions in my instructions. The template dimensions also have an error where the inner bolt location is shown to be 1/2" below the center line and is actually 1/2" above.
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Thu, Apr 7, 2016 9:51 AM
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Unfortunately there seems to be some debate about the vertical location dimension for the template center so until I can get this verified do not use the locating dimensions in my instructions. The template dimensions also have an error where the inner bolt location is shown to be 1/2" below the center line and is actually 1/2" above.
I have read all the posts unless I’m missing something I haven’t seen any kind of temp-plate or an actual map of the hole placement for the electric starter. I did go to Old Magnet’s sight and printed off 1-7 Direct Start Conversions AA but I must have done something wrong I need a magnifying glass to read it (no old jokes please). I already have a starter that I think will work that's why I'm trying to find out where to place the holes without buying the complete kit. So I’m still looking. Another question is I see there's an 11 or 12 tooth drive does this mean for one or the other you have to have an offset nose cone?
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Fri, Apr 8, 2016 7:51 AM
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I have read all the posts unless I’m missing something I haven’t seen any kind of temp-plate or an actual map of the hole placement for the electric starter. I did go to Old Magnet’s sight and printed off 1-7 Direct Start Conversions AA but I must have done something wrong I need a magnifying glass to read it (no old jokes please). I already have a starter that I think will work that's why I'm trying to find out where to place the holes without buying the complete kit. So I’m still looking. Another question is I see there's an 11 or 12 tooth drive does this mean for one or the other you have to have an offset nose cone?
hello and good luck. i dont want to hijack thread i just have a question for old Magnet. When i drilled the hole in my d6 you said it looked low in the boss, and i assured you that i measured and re-measured correctly. Is this the debate your referring to? i recently removed starter as i am removing engine and see no undesireable wear and tooth depth engagement seems more than satisfactory. however i didnt start it very many times, but i did crank it for long periods. on another note the mt50 doesnt have the correct housing making the solenoid tilt out. now though i find this desirable because it completely clears the pony clutch housing and isnt to close to the side panel. To the original poster most of my experience can be read in the thread old iron thanks somewhere in my d6 notebook i have an enlarged version of Old Magnets paper template, but maybe you should wait till its reassesed
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Fri, Apr 8, 2016 8:07 AM
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I have read all the posts unless I’m missing something I haven’t seen any kind of temp-plate or an actual map of the hole placement for the electric starter. I did go to Old Magnet’s sight and printed off 1-7 Direct Start Conversions AA but I must have done something wrong I need a magnifying glass to read it (no old jokes please). I already have a starter that I think will work that's why I'm trying to find out where to place the holes without buying the complete kit. So I’m still looking. Another question is I see there's an 11 or 12 tooth drive does this mean for one or the other you have to have an offset nose cone?


Yes, you will need the nose cone with the offset or rotated nose cone for either drive. I will work on getting the correct template posted probably tomorrow but there is still question on the vertical location of center. Perhaps monserandson can share his locating dimension. Also need to know which starter you intend to use to get the right drive end housing.
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Fri, Apr 8, 2016 8:22 AM
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hello and good luck. i dont want to hijack thread i just have a question for old Magnet. When i drilled the hole in my d6 you said it looked low in the boss, and i assured you that i measured and re-measured correctly. Is this the debate your referring to? i recently removed starter as i am removing engine and see no undesireable wear and tooth depth engagement seems more than satisfactory. however i didnt start it very many times, but i did crank it for long periods. on another note the mt50 doesnt have the correct housing making the solenoid tilt out. now though i find this desirable because it completely clears the pony clutch housing and isnt to close to the side panel. To the original poster most of my experience can be read in the thread old iron thanks somewhere in my d6 notebook i have an enlarged version of Old Magnets paper template, but maybe you should wait till its reassesed


Yes, the debate or question is about the vertical location of the template center. Did you use the dimension originally furnished and did it work out ok? If you used a different dimension can you share what it is?
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Fri, Apr 8, 2016 8:29 AM
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Yes, the debate or question is about the vertical location of the template center. Did you use the dimension originally furnished and did it work out ok? If you used a different dimension can you share what it is?
Old Magnet, in the world of steel and precision you and i are on different planets. i would not have been able to visualize, much less make it happen without your help. Soo.. i did not deviate from what i understand to be the original plan- center of starter hole-3 5/16 down from center of upper engine mount holes. like i said not much time on starter gear, but certainly acceptable wear marks, if and when i drill the better motor i see no reason to alter pattern unless you come up with something better
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Fri, Apr 8, 2016 10:37 AM
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Old Magnet, in the world of steel and precision you and i are on different planets. i would not have been able to visualize, much less make it happen without your help. Soo.. i did not deviate from what i understand to be the original plan- center of starter hole-3 5/16 down from center of upper engine mount holes. like i said not much time on starter gear, but certainly acceptable wear marks, if and when i drill the better motor i see no reason to alter pattern unless you come up with something better
Thanks for the response.
Forgot to ask, was yours an oil clutch or dry clutch version housing?
Still trying to sort out why there would be a difference in vertical dimension of the center line. My dimensions came from a dry clutch housing and I'm about to check my oil clutch factory direct start version.
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Fri, Apr 8, 2016 10:23 PM
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I have read all the posts unless I’m missing something I haven’t seen any kind of temp-plate or an actual map of the hole placement for the electric starter. I did go to Old Magnet’s sight and printed off 1-7 Direct Start Conversions AA but I must have done something wrong I need a magnifying glass to read it (no old jokes please). I already have a starter that I think will work that's why I'm trying to find out where to place the holes without buying the complete kit. So I’m still looking. Another question is I see there's an 11 or 12 tooth drive does this mean for one or the other you have to have an offset nose cone?


Here is the revised Template Dimensions for the D6. I'm still investigating the required vertical location dimension. May be awhile.
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Sat, Apr 9, 2016 1:49 AM
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Here is the revised Template Dimensions for the D6. I'm still investigating the required vertical location dimension. May be awhile.
Old Magnet: Thank you so much for attacking this project, the print is AWESOME, hopefully the vertical location dimension falls from the sky and somehow lands on your blue print!
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Sat, Apr 9, 2016 6:28 AM
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