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D6 44A main engine clutch linkage & steering clutch pull force?

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A couple of years back my dad & brother picked out a D6 to replace the D4D SA that had died when another brother cracked the oilpan on a rock and didn't realize he'd lost oil which messed up the con-rod/crank bearings pretty bad. The previous owners had just put in a new engine and trans as I recall. We then spent even more than we paid for the machine having the dealer work through a number of issues. Yet when the dealer brought it up they left it idling on the truck for the hour drive from their shop as they were concerned about starting it when they got to the farm. I didn't have any trouble starting it, ... but I digress.

I hadn't run this machine other than backing it off the trailer when it was first delivered. Apparently we've had trouble with the clutch slipping and had it tightened twice. One brother complained that the clutch was popping out unless he held it. In looking at the machine it seemed the clutch snapped over center ok except that the left battery cover wasn't in right and was overhanging about 1/2" which limited the clutch lever travel. Anyway I took off all the floorboard plates to check out the linkages.

The main shaft going into the clutch housing has a lot of play. Is there a bushing that can be used to tighten up this linkage? The lever itself is mounted on a 1" post. It didn't have a washer between the lever and the cotter pin. I found a heavy washer with a 15/16" ID and sanded it out to 1" ID with a dremel like tool, put that on and greased every zerk I could see under the floor plates. With the battery cover installed correctly the clutch seemed to stay engaged when I drove a couple of laps around the barnyard.

The problem/concern I noted was that when snapping the clutch over center there is some linkage to the transmission that gives a "gear-grinding" feel through the clutch handle. What is the function of this linkage? How does one get rid of that grinding gear when engaging the main engine clutch (trans in neutral or in gear)?

Also, when driving this around to test it I was really working for those steering clutches. They are much much heavier pull than on our other machines. Is this supposed to have hydraulic boost of the steering clutches? If so it isn't working. Is there a fix or do I need to spend more time at the gym pumping iron to get in shape to run the D6?

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Joe
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Sat, Jun 25, 2011 12:29 AM
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Your grinding probleme is your brake cluch need a adjustement and your stering cluch booster should missing some oil inside and he should be under the fuel tank and you should have 3 3/4" free movement on top stering cluch lever and 3 1/2 to 4 1/2" on pedal brake
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Sat, Jun 25, 2011 1:11 AM
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Your grinding probleme is your brake cluch need a adjustement and your stering cluch booster should missing some oil inside and he should be under the fuel tank and you should have 3 3/4" free movement on top stering cluch lever and 3 1/2 to 4 1/2" on pedal brake


Thanks gemdozer

Is the brake clutch you are mentioning inside the transmission or the one just at the main clutch output? The one out in the open on the driveshaft looks to be working correctly and isn't the source of the grinding. The grinding is from something actuated by a linkage back onto the transmission.

Do you know what type of oil goes in the steering clutch booster? Is this machine like our D4D SA where everything uses the same oil as the engine (except the hydraulics I suppose)? This is helpful to know there is a steering clutch booster, but I guess I need to buy a service manual for this machine and get to know it a little better.

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Joe
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Sat, Jun 25, 2011 2:15 AM
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Thanks gemdozer

Is the brake clutch you are mentioning inside the transmission or the one just at the main clutch output? The one out in the open on the driveshaft looks to be working correctly and isn't the source of the grinding. The grinding is from something actuated by a linkage back onto the transmission.

Do you know what type of oil goes in the steering clutch booster? Is this machine like our D4D SA where everything uses the same oil as the engine (except the hydraulics I suppose)? This is helpful to know there is a steering clutch booster, but I guess I need to buy a service manual for this machine and get to know it a little better.

Thanks again,

Joe
If the grinding is there with the transmission in neutral too it look like in the cluch housing maybe the oil pump gear or idler gear loosen and the stering cluch booster should use 20 oil and capacité should be 6qt.
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Sat, Jun 25, 2011 4:00 AM
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If the grinding is there with the transmission in neutral too it look like in the cluch housing maybe the oil pump gear or idler gear loosen and the stering cluch booster should use 20 oil and capacité should be 6qt.


It only makes the grinding if you hold the main engine clutch lever back against the battery box (or since there is so much slop in the linkages when the lever bounces back toward the battery box). The noise seems to be from the transmission and not from the clutch. The main engine clutch lever seems to actuate 3 things,
1) main engine clutch
2) brake shoe on OD of drum just aft of clutch,
3) something on the transmission back under the operator seat.

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Joe
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Sat, Jun 25, 2011 5:09 AM
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The other linkage operates a transmission lock which should keep the shifters locked until the clutch lever is moved forward to the point of disengaging the clutch.

I doubt it would be causing a grinding noise since it only lifts some locking pawls on the shifter rails. The source of the noise is most likely the clutch release bearing yoke etc inside the clutch, but I suppose you could be getting some noise/vibration referred through the transmission input shaft.
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Sat, Jun 25, 2011 6:41 AM
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The other linkage operates a transmission lock which should keep the shifters locked until the clutch lever is moved forward to the point of disengaging the clutch.

I doubt it would be causing a grinding noise since it only lifts some locking pawls on the shifter rails. The source of the noise is most likely the clutch release bearing yoke etc inside the clutch, but I suppose you could be getting some noise/vibration referred through the transmission input shaft.
[quote="ccjersey"]The other linkage operates a transmission lock which should keep the shifters locked until the clutch lever is moved forward to the point of disengaging the clutch.

I doubt it would be causing a grinding noise since it only lifts some locking pawls on the shifter rails. The source of the noise is most likely the clutch release bearing yoke etc inside the clutch, but I suppose you could be getting some noise/vibration referred through the transmission input shaft.[/quote]

If the locking pawl actuation is too great can they bump into anything that is moving inside the transmission? I'm wondering if I need to adjust the linkage so that a fully pulled back clutch lever doesn't move the pawl actuator as much.
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Sat, Jun 25, 2011 7:01 AM
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I'm not really familiar with the D6B transmission, but going on the assumption it is similar/identical to the D6 9U transmission, I don't think there is anything that the locking pawl will hit if it moves too far, but don't have a parts book to check. I suppose I could be totally wrong and there is some other synchronizer or shifter in there that was not used on the U series.

If you want to adjust a transmission interlock, it needs to keep the transmission shifter locked as you push the clutch lever forward until the clutch actually pops out. If you have lots of slack, it can release the locking pawls before the clutch actually disengages and the transmission will be able to pop out of gear. I was discouraged about our 9U popping out of first gear under load and assumed a transmission overhaul was in the cards. Folks on here told me to adjust the transmission lock and when I did, it took care of the problem. To check. with the engine stopped is safest, put the transmission in 1st gear, pull the clutch into engagement and then pull on the shifter to try to put it in neutral. It should not move. Keep pulling on it and push the clutch lever forward. The lock should hold until the clutch disengages and then the clutch brake should drag against the drum on the clutch output/transmission input shaft as you push the lever on forward.

Like I said, I think it's likely something to do with the clutch release bearing and yoke, though it may be only that it chatters the loudest in the transmission area for some reason.
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Sat, Jun 25, 2011 8:12 AM
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I'm not really familiar with the D6B transmission, but going on the assumption it is similar/identical to the D6 9U transmission, I don't think there is anything that the locking pawl will hit if it moves too far, but don't have a parts book to check. I suppose I could be totally wrong and there is some other synchronizer or shifter in there that was not used on the U series.

If you want to adjust a transmission interlock, it needs to keep the transmission shifter locked as you push the clutch lever forward until the clutch actually pops out. If you have lots of slack, it can release the locking pawls before the clutch actually disengages and the transmission will be able to pop out of gear. I was discouraged about our 9U popping out of first gear under load and assumed a transmission overhaul was in the cards. Folks on here told me to adjust the transmission lock and when I did, it took care of the problem. To check. with the engine stopped is safest, put the transmission in 1st gear, pull the clutch into engagement and then pull on the shifter to try to put it in neutral. It should not move. Keep pulling on it and push the clutch lever forward. The lock should hold until the clutch disengages and then the clutch brake should drag against the drum on the clutch output/transmission input shaft as you push the lever on forward.

Like I said, I think it's likely something to do with the clutch release bearing and yoke, though it may be only that it chatters the loudest in the transmission area for some reason.
[quote="ccjersey"]I'm not really familiar with the D6B transmission, but going on the assumption it is similar/identical to the D6 9U transmission, I don't think there is anything that the locking pawl will hit if it moves too far, but don't have a parts book to check. I suppose I could be totally wrong and there is some other synchronizer or shifter in there that was not used on the U series.

If you want to adjust a transmission interlock, it needs to keep the transmission shifter locked as you push the clutch lever forward until the clutch actually pops out. If you have lots of slack, it can release the locking pawls before the clutch actually disengages and the transmission will be able to pop out of gear. I was discouraged about our 9U popping out of first gear under load and assumed a transmission overhaul was in the cards. Folks on here told me to adjust the transmission lock and when I did, it took care of the problem. To check. with the engine stopped is safest, put the transmission in 1st gear, pull the clutch into engagement and then pull on the shifter to try to put it in neutral. It should not move. Keep pulling on it and push the clutch lever forward. The lock should hold until the clutch disengages and then the clutch brake should drag against the drum on the clutch output/transmission input shaft as you push the lever on forward.

Like I said, I think it's likely something to do with the clutch release bearing and yoke, though it may be only that it chatters the loudest in the transmission area for some reason.[/quote]

Thanks for all the input. I bought a service manual on ebay and it will be delivered today. This will help me know what I'm looking for.
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