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hdroadkingc
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I have a new to me D4E with a serial number of 28H1052. I ran it some today, and I have a leak at the torque converter. Can the seal be changed on this torque converter without taking the transmission and torque converter out. I'm hoping I can take the pucks out and slide the flange off the torque converter and get the seal changed. Is this possible?
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Sun, Jul 16, 2017 6:45 AM
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I would like someone to verify but I believe it is possible to change the front seal as you describe. Also check coupling alignment while your in there.
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Sun, Jul 16, 2017 10:02 AM
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I would like someone to verify but I believe it is possible to change the front seal as you describe. Also check coupling alignment while your in there.
Hi Team,
a seal change can be carried out just as you said, remove the pucks and slide the T/C Flange off the splined shaft to access the lip type seal and change it out.
The seal run area may need a Speedy Sleeve repair if worn--fill the groove with epoxy and machine true before fitting the sleeve or the seal lip will likely burn due to heat not being able to transfer away from the sleeve--the air in the groove under the sleeve is a poor conductor of heat.

Also as OM recommends check the engine drive flange to T/C shaft alignment as per the scan below. It is well known that the shims under the rear engine mounts were known to wear or be missing after the rear mounts bolts loosened/broke.
We often found if the bolts were loose/missing that both the rear engine mounts and the chassis pads were worn and needed refacing or needed building up to restore a flat mounting surface.

Also check the front engine mount rubberized bushing for failure along with the shims worn/missing--either of these cause misalignment of the flanges and this results in early hour failure of the pucks or worse still a broken crankshaft.

Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Sun, Jul 16, 2017 10:44 AM
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Hi Team,
a seal change can be carried out just as you said, remove the pucks and slide the T/C Flange off the splined shaft to access the lip type seal and change it out.
The seal run area may need a Speedy Sleeve repair if worn--fill the groove with epoxy and machine true before fitting the sleeve or the seal lip will likely burn due to heat not being able to transfer away from the sleeve--the air in the groove under the sleeve is a poor conductor of heat.

Also as OM recommends check the engine drive flange to T/C shaft alignment as per the scan below. It is well known that the shims under the rear engine mounts were known to wear or be missing after the rear mounts bolts loosened/broke.
We often found if the bolts were loose/missing that both the rear engine mounts and the chassis pads were worn and needed refacing or needed building up to restore a flat mounting surface.

Also check the front engine mount rubberized bushing for failure along with the shims worn/missing--either of these cause misalignment of the flanges and this results in early hour failure of the pucks or worse still a broken crankshaft.

Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Its best to try make up a contraption to pull the seal in to place as there isn't much room there to tap it in, and if it goes in skew or gets damaged during installation it will most certainly leak again shortly.
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Sun, Jul 16, 2017 3:01 PM
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Reply to Glum:
Its best to try make up a contraption to pull the seal in to place as there isn't much room there to tap it in, and if it goes in skew or gets damaged during installation it will most certainly leak again shortly.
I finally had time to work on this today. I am getting a fair amount of play in the torque converter shaft now that I have the drive pucks out. Can the torque converter be removed without pulling the transmission? It looks like I have a bad bearing somewhere in the torque converter!
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Sat, Jul 22, 2017 8:47 AM
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I finally had time to work on this today. I am getting a fair amount of play in the torque converter shaft now that I have the drive pucks out. Can the torque converter be removed without pulling the transmission? It looks like I have a bad bearing somewhere in the torque converter!
My service manual shows removing the torque converter and transmission as a unit.
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Sat, Jul 22, 2017 9:04 AM
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My service manual shows removing the torque converter and transmission as a unit.
Converter can be removed on it's own.
When putting it back into place make sure the gasket between it and the transmission is glued in place beforehand. Requires a few choice words to assist with installation.
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Sat, Jul 22, 2017 11:52 AM
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Converter can be removed on it's own.
When putting it back into place make sure the gasket between it and the transmission is glued in place beforehand. Requires a few choice words to assist with installation.
Hi,
Glum has it.
Take the opportunity to fit new "O" Ring seals to the two T/C pipes inside the Trans/T/C joint area.
Be sure to check the coupling drive splines between the Trans and T/C as from memory they are soft and so is the T/C output shaft--had a few in that wore the splines off and naturally there was no drive--hence the T/C units came in without the trans.

To make getting the T/C out easier it pays to remove the trans pump from the front of the T/C case.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Sat, Jul 22, 2017 3:08 PM
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Hi,
Glum has it.
Take the opportunity to fit new "O" Ring seals to the two T/C pipes inside the Trans/T/C joint area.
Be sure to check the coupling drive splines between the Trans and T/C as from memory they are soft and so is the T/C output shaft--had a few in that wore the splines off and naturally there was no drive--hence the T/C units came in without the trans.

To make getting the T/C out easier it pays to remove the trans pump from the front of the T/C case.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
I have it all loose, but there is one shaft that goes between the transmission and the torque converter that is holding it in there. How do I get that shaft out? If sitting on the tractor it's on the left side about 1/4 of the way down. Is it the pinion shaft?
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Sun, Jul 23, 2017 4:05 AM
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I have it all loose, but there is one shaft that goes between the transmission and the torque converter that is holding it in there. How do I get that shaft out? If sitting on the tractor it's on the left side about 1/4 of the way down. Is it the pinion shaft?
Hi,
only thing I can think of in that area is the steering pump--which I forgot about removing too--now you mention it either one of the pumps is a bit of a Chinese puzzle to get out--pump needs to be just so and turned from its mounted orientation as needed and the flywheel drive flange may need to be removed too, along with a couple of bolts in the flywheel cover plate--all from hazy memory--there were I think two different iterations of drive flange which needed different tactics.
It is some 20 or 30 years since I worked on one.

You should be splitting the T/C away from the Trans at the rearmost bolts of what looks to be an adaptor/spacer ring between the two units.
Hope this helps--sorry about these omissions in the first post.
Regards,
Eddie B.
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Sun, Jul 23, 2017 6:02 AM
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Hi,
only thing I can think of in that area is the steering pump--which I forgot about removing too--now you mention it either one of the pumps is a bit of a Chinese puzzle to get out--pump needs to be just so and turned from its mounted orientation as needed and the flywheel drive flange may need to be removed too, along with a couple of bolts in the flywheel cover plate--all from hazy memory--there were I think two different iterations of drive flange which needed different tactics.
It is some 20 or 30 years since I worked on one.

You should be splitting the T/C away from the Trans at the rearmost bolts of what looks to be an adaptor/spacer ring between the two units.
Hope this helps--sorry about these omissions in the first post.
Regards,
Eddie B.
I'm splitting it at the transmission. How do I get the steering pump shaft out?
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Sun, Jul 23, 2017 6:42 AM
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