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Richard~J~W
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Did you ever start a job and wonder where it will end?

Well, here's my story......as some of you may know I bought a D4D with the intention of keeping it, doing it up and using it for shows and a bit of entertainment around the farm (simple pleasures for some of us πŸ‘ )

So as free time allowed, which is twice a year on holidays, I have been steadily doing bits to it, over Christmas I noticed some unusual ticking noise in the rear l.h. final drive.....what to do?.....no-one will want a poorly tractor other than a scrap-man......so having spoken to the oracle (T.C.) we decided it wasn't really that much to repair......although I don't have the pullers/press and could really do with a practical transmission training course.

So in I went, today you can see we pulled off the sprockets, pulled out 1 dead shaft and the pinion shaft flanges.

When I opened up the l.h. cover I noticed the nut to be more or less finger tight and missing the two staking pins which prevent it from undoing......they were also missing on the r.h. side but at least the nut was murder tight.

So with all this apart I notice some end-float on the pinion shaft.....so we pulled the transmission out.....while there I thought I would pull out the clutch out-put shaft seal, as I did the output shaft bearing collapsed!

What's left to do now? well, apart from a hefty parts bill which will probably put Royal Bank of Scotland profits up, there's the clutch cover to pull off and equaliser bar to drop down and re-bush.

Here's a few of the many photos from the last week or so......as they say, stripping it down is half the job......

Before the job.......

[img]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b1/RichardJayW1/D4D88A47819.jpg[/img]

Thanks to TC for the technology and the knowledge! πŸ‘

[img]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b1/RichardJayW1/pullers.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b1/RichardJayW1/d42.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b1/RichardJayW1/d422.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b1/RichardJayW1/d4222.jpg[/img]

Notice the dead-shaft is at about 2 o'clock

[img]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b1/RichardJayW1/d42222.jpg[/img]

Diff pinion bearings worn

[img]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b1/RichardJayW1/d422222.jpg[/img]

Clutch bearing assy

[img]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b1/RichardJayW1/d42222222.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b1/RichardJayW1/d4222222.jpg[/img]

And tonight it looks like this....... :jaw:

[img]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b1/RichardJayW1/d422222222.jpg[/img]
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Sun, Aug 7, 2011 1:45 AM
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All I can say is WOW!!! and tip my hat......and I'll bet you haven't looked into the engine yet.

Your fortunate to have tc on hand to help you through the troubles.
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Sun, Aug 7, 2011 3:47 AM
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All I can say is WOW!!! and tip my hat......and I'll bet you haven't looked into the engine yet.

Your fortunate to have tc on hand to help you through the troubles.
looks like your in for the long haul on that ,will be well worth it when its done
that TC certainly likes to rip them to bits in a short time ,and i bet you've had a good laugh too πŸ˜†

cheers graham
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Sun, Aug 7, 2011 4:37 AM
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looks like your in for the long haul on that ,will be well worth it when its done
that TC certainly likes to rip them to bits in a short time ,and i bet you've had a good laugh too πŸ˜†

cheers graham
Hi Richard.
About 2 yrs ago i had a 78A D4D that was looking exactly like that. Although my deadshafts were straight and bullgear was intact; pinions thru hardning tho.
In your case tho I would update my pinion and bullgear to the heavier 7K4771 gear and 7k4770 pinion, that came out on later D4Ds, or maybe even the later 4v2744 and 48 gears from D4Es. Would pay to price all this out tho first, see how the numbers stack up. I ended up putting pirate italian pinions in mine, was cheapest fix.
The pinion brgs are a major expense, but i was lucky enough to convert all the cat nos to original Bower part nos.
2M0533 = MR7309
2M0534 = M7309
8B2570 = M1311CH
8B2571 = MU1311V
5K8591 = M1311EAL
3B3969 = MR1311.
I also had to replce all the trans brgs and clutch output shaft brg; you,ll have to pull clutch for this; so do it before you put the trans back in. And while your in there I did my rear crankshaft seal.
I also put a low gear 1st and 2nd gearset in it to give it some more balls too, but should have changed 3 4 5 while i was at it. 89A 951s used the swampy D4D gearset, so if you can find a wrecked one of these you,ll be in luck.
Good luck with your project. merv
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Sun, Aug 7, 2011 6:32 AM
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Hi Richard.
About 2 yrs ago i had a 78A D4D that was looking exactly like that. Although my deadshafts were straight and bullgear was intact; pinions thru hardning tho.
In your case tho I would update my pinion and bullgear to the heavier 7K4771 gear and 7k4770 pinion, that came out on later D4Ds, or maybe even the later 4v2744 and 48 gears from D4Es. Would pay to price all this out tho first, see how the numbers stack up. I ended up putting pirate italian pinions in mine, was cheapest fix.
The pinion brgs are a major expense, but i was lucky enough to convert all the cat nos to original Bower part nos.
2M0533 = MR7309
2M0534 = M7309
8B2570 = M1311CH
8B2571 = MU1311V
5K8591 = M1311EAL
3B3969 = MR1311.
I also had to replce all the trans brgs and clutch output shaft brg; you,ll have to pull clutch for this; so do it before you put the trans back in. And while your in there I did my rear crankshaft seal.
I also put a low gear 1st and 2nd gearset in it to give it some more balls too, but should have changed 3 4 5 while i was at it. 89A 951s used the swampy D4D gearset, so if you can find a wrecked one of these you,ll be in luck.
Good luck with your project. merv
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Sun, Aug 7, 2011 6:47 AM
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[attachment=10392]Michael.JPG[/attachment]some more[attachment=10391]Rolling 2.jpg[/attachment]
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Here in the States we call it "the Snowball effect". Once the snowball starts rolling it just becomes bigger & bigger. We all know how it starts. "Well as long as I'm this far, may as well do that too".πŸ˜† The trick is knowing when to stop (with me it's when my wallet's empty. I've already worn holes through two leather wallets with my D2).
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Other rusty old junk comes & goes without warning.

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Sun, Aug 7, 2011 7:37 AM
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Reply to zootownjeepguy:
Here in the States we call it "the Snowball effect". Once the snowball starts rolling it just becomes bigger & bigger. We all know how it starts. "Well as long as I'm this far, may as well do that too".πŸ˜† The trick is knowing when to stop (with me it's when my wallet's empty. I've already worn holes through two leather wallets with my D2).
Gulp??, this is not doing my street cred any good Richard, people might be put off calling me to "Service" their beloved tractor, lets hope we can firstly find all the bits, then get it bolted up a bit rapid to not put off owners from letting me loose with CAT iron, I love the way the D series tractors come to bits in only a few hours???.

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Sun, Aug 7, 2011 1:18 PM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
All I can say is WOW!!! and tip my hat......and I'll bet you haven't looked into the engine yet.

Your fortunate to have tc on hand to help you through the troubles.
[quote="Old Magnet"]All I can say is WOW!!! and tip my hat......and I'll bet you haven't looked into the engine yet.

Your fortunate to have tc on hand to help you through the troubles.[/quote]

Will probably put some new injector tips on it.....but generally it seems (knock on wood) to start fine and run O.K.
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Sun, Aug 7, 2011 9:52 PM
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Reply to d4c24a:
looks like your in for the long haul on that ,will be well worth it when its done
that TC certainly likes to rip them to bits in a short time ,and i bet you've had a good laugh too πŸ˜†

cheers graham
[quote="d4c24a"]looks like your in for the long haul on that ,will be well worth it when its done
that TC certainly likes to rip them to bits in a short time ,and i bet you've had a good laugh too πŸ˜†

cheers graham[/quote]

yes, I'm commited to the job now......no going back πŸ‘

the plan is, if time allows, is to have the chassis sand-blasted and painted prior to re-assembling the big lumpy bits.....I've got about 3 weeks before I go back to work until Christmas
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Sun, Aug 7, 2011 9:54 PM
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Reply to Mervyn Pepper:
Hi Richard.
About 2 yrs ago i had a 78A D4D that was looking exactly like that. Although my deadshafts were straight and bullgear was intact; pinions thru hardning tho.
In your case tho I would update my pinion and bullgear to the heavier 7K4771 gear and 7k4770 pinion, that came out on later D4Ds, or maybe even the later 4v2744 and 48 gears from D4Es. Would pay to price all this out tho first, see how the numbers stack up. I ended up putting pirate italian pinions in mine, was cheapest fix.
The pinion brgs are a major expense, but i was lucky enough to convert all the cat nos to original Bower part nos.
2M0533 = MR7309
2M0534 = M7309
8B2570 = M1311CH
8B2571 = MU1311V
5K8591 = M1311EAL
3B3969 = MR1311.
I also had to replce all the trans brgs and clutch output shaft brg; you,ll have to pull clutch for this; so do it before you put the trans back in. And while your in there I did my rear crankshaft seal.
I also put a low gear 1st and 2nd gearset in it to give it some more balls too, but should have changed 3 4 5 while i was at it. 89A 951s used the swampy D4D gearset, so if you can find a wrecked one of these you,ll be in luck.
Good luck with your project. merv
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[quote="Mervyn Pepper"]Hi Richard.
About 2 yrs ago i had a 78A D4D that was looking exactly like that. Although my deadshafts were straight and bullgear was intact; pinions thru hardning tho.
In your case tho I would update my pinion and bullgear to the heavier 7K4771 gear and 7k4770 pinion, that came out on later D4Ds, or maybe even the later 4v2744 and 48 gears from D4Es. Would pay to price all this out tho first, see how the numbers stack up. I ended up putting pirate italian pinions in mine, was cheapest fix.
The pinion brgs are a major expense, but i was lucky enough to convert all the cat nos to original Bower part nos.
2M0533 = MR7309
2M0534 = M7309
8B2570 = M1311CH
8B2571 = MU1311V
5K8591 = M1311EAL
3B3969 = MR1311.
I also had to replce all the trans brgs and clutch output shaft brg; you,ll have to pull clutch for this; so do it before you put the trans back in. And while your in there I did my rear crankshaft seal.
I also put a low gear 1st and 2nd gearset in it to give it some more balls too, but should have changed 3 4 5 while i was at it. 89A 951s used the swampy D4D gearset, so if you can find a wrecked one of these you,ll be in luck.
Good luck with your project. merv[/quote]

many thanks for this Merv, tbh I think I'll go with it as it is.....although I like your thinking in reality the tractor will only do a bit of pushing around on the farm.

The plate on the back of the transmission group states it is 4K 30 not sure what configuration that means.......I read on here that there's several variations high speed, low speed, close ratio etc.
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Sun, Aug 7, 2011 10:16 PM
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Here in the States we call it "the Snowball effect". Once the snowball starts rolling it just becomes bigger & bigger. We all know how it starts. "Well as long as I'm this far, may as well do that too".πŸ˜† The trick is knowing when to stop (with me it's when my wallet's empty. I've already worn holes through two leather wallets with my D2).


Its a difficult balancing act with these old machines - where to draw the line.......mind you its satisfying to know you've done the job right
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